Kicker 750.1 amp...what kind of subs/box?

Discussion in 'Subwoofer Box and Custom Fabrication' started by eazy, Oct 8, 2006.

  1. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Ahh well I was just asking because I've heard and read this many a times....but oh well...its the roll off point fuk it haha
     
  2. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    So the higher frequencies are better for rap? How does 30hz sound compared to 50hz? Is 30 like lower bass but 50 is harder hitting or something?
     
  3. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    bass is bass...30Hz is a good F3 for rap...if you like rock and such that doesn't have heavy low bass than you can tune it higher

    rock has a lotta the bass around the 80Hz range...rap is around 40 but hell doesn't really matter if you have a nice box...it'll sound good with all music
     
  4. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    Okat so let me get this straight, when you say 30hz is a good f3 for that box, is that the same as saying tune the box to 30hz? Basically are the tune and f3 the same?
     
  5. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Yes and no!!!!!!!! This can get confusing......

    the -3dB point of the box IN the car will be different from the measurements taken OUT of the car....This is called transfer function of the vehicle, or its in car acoustics. yes the box itself will have a -3dB downpoint of such and such, but in the car, the whole bowl of banans changes!!!!!!! When you tune a box to a particular frequency say 30Hz, that does not mean that its -3dB downpoint....Just so we dont get to overanylitical here, lets just say that if you like rap, like rock, like pretty much all kinds of music, 35 Hz is a good frequency to tune an enclosure to......If you tune it to say 30 Hz or 40Hz, will you notice a HUGE difference in the way it sounds???? NO.......I am a critical listener and get picky with the way things sound, But with 99% of the rest of the folks out there, just get it darned close to what your target frequency is and you will be happy...
     
  6. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    No...Tuning affects F3 though

    In WinISD the F3 is where the response curve crosses the purple line.

    Notice that if you enter your sub into the recommended deep bass enclosure the response is real peaky and has a higher F3...If you lower the tuning it brings that peak down and smoothes out the curve
     
  7. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    Okay, I'm just checking because I've heard everything from 30-45hz. I'm thinking that if I build my own box I should do a rectangular port...it seems like it would be easier to build. Would the location of the port affect the sound at all? Like 1 rectangular port to the left of the 2 woofers vs. 1 rectangular port in between the woofers? Also, I've been reading that if I build a big box I might get flexing on the top panel of the box...I take that if you put a piece of mdf diving the 2 chambers and put the port on one side it would mess with the sound...what's the best thing to do?
     
  8. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    It is a good idea to brace the box...mainly the large sides of the box are more likely to flex and cause unwanted vibration that equals wasted sound.

    The location of the port doesn't matter...ideally you want the port on the same plane as the woofers...meaning the baffle board.

    A rectangular port is easy to build and will make the enclosure even stronger. If you are going to put a divider to brace the box either cut out a lot of circular holes but leave enough MDF to be sturdy to cut out 4 squares as in a 4 square game lol...but leave the width of the mdf atleast 2 inches.

    Mess around with the rectangular ports vs. circular ports on WinISD.

    Or you could just build either of the boxes that I told you lol
     
  9. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Put the port on the same radiating surface of the woofers, in between would be fine. Internal bracing is key in stopping resonance in the box. Run some peices of wood from front to back and top to bottom to elimainate flex, could also do a souble baffle, 2 sheets of wood instead of one on the woofer/port peice of wood........... dont use coors light cans for the ports, that will make Ranger SVO mad!!!!!!!!


    I recently got a few box programs, just need some numbers now, then i could give a better idea of what to tune your box too for the type of music and the type of vehicle you drive....it will be a bit though!!!!!
     
  10. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    Well, I just took some more accurate measurements of my trunk...

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    I can fit a box 40" wide in the lower part of the trunk, and the spare tire hangs over the edge, and theres only like 13.5" of height under it, so the box would have to be in front of it. The spare sticks out about 7-7.5" so the box couldn't be any deeper than 15"...and if the box is in front of the spare it can be 18" tall.

    So basically 40" wide, 18" tall, and 15" deep are my limitations. If I am correct that is roughly 6.25 cubic feet of exterior volume and roughly 4.96 cubic feet of interior volume. I don't know if this is enough interior volume after the port volume is subtracted to give me 2.25 cubic feet per woofer.

    Another thing I'm wondering about is...if I do build this thing myself, I don't think I have the right type of saw to cut the holes for the woofers.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2006
  11. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    OH BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!! that trunk is a PRIME candidate for an VIKING patented extended infinite baffle!!!!!!!!!!

    4 12 inchers or 2 15 inchers!!!!!!!!!!! Hell YA!!!!!!! Low frequency extension would be AWESOME, the bass would hit FAST and TIGHT!!!!!!!


    But I aint even gunna TRY to explain it here!!!!!!!
     
  12. eazy

    eazy Full Member

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    Like this?
     
  13. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Nope.............
     
  14. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    I don't want anything showing...I had 6x9's showing in the rear deck and they got jacked. And I've only got the 750.1 amp...circuit city is giving it to me...so I don't think I can run four 12's or two 15's...plus I want this whole thing to be relatively cheap.
     
  15. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    then you DONT wanna do what i was talking about!!!!!!!


    But that amp can run whatever you want, whether its 1 8 incher, or 8 18 inchers.....yes it is true........
     
  16. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    But I wouldn't be getting as much power...or I'd blow it...correct?
     
  17. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    If the amp putts out 500 watts for example, thats what it puts out, end of story......as long as the amp see's an impedance it can live with, it will work.....Just means instead of 1 woofer getting 500 watts, 8 18 inch woofers get 62.5 watts each......that simple.


    by the way, is your refresh button worn out yet???????? LOL!!!!
     
  18. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    Yes it is showing a bit of wear lol...

    so in theory it may be a better money saver to spend an extra say 20 bucks and get 15's that are 750rms each...in case down the road I can upgrade the amp...

    Also, what difference would you notice between cvr12's in a sealed vs. a ported? Because I've found prefab sealed boxes that could fit the volume specs (can't find ported with the specs I'm looking for) for pretty cheap on ebay and are 3/4" MDF.

    I'm going to call the local shops asking how much it would cost for them to build me a ported to the specs I want (I don't have the right equiptment), but I have a feeling it's going to be an outrageous price.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2006
  19. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Personally I don't like sealed boxes...especially ones that are prefabbed...I'll make my own but never buy another prefab one...for the price you pay you can build one that is 100 times stronger and better
     
  20. eazy

    eazy Full Member

    I called around, they said it would cost around $175 to have them build me a custom ported box for the 2 cvr's.