Short Protection

Discussion in 'Car Stereo Amplifiers' started by wayne_eyez, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member

    I bought a 3600watt Star Sound Silver (SSA 3600.2) and a 5200watt Star Sound Digital monoblock (SSA-S1D-5200) amplifiers. With the 3600w (2ohm stereo stable) when connected with a 2Ohm stereo load.. as the volume is turned up the amp cuts off...? any suggestions?
    With the 5200watt (1ohm stable) - a 2ohm or 4ohm load the amplifier goes onto "short protection" at higher volumes.

    could it be that there is insufficient power form the car battery, coz the battery is relatively small. It is 12v but the amps per hour is like 35AmH.

    Please any suggestions would be greatly apprieciated.

    Oh and i have checked the load with a multimeter.
    Thank you
     
  2. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    can you give us more info?

    what vehicle,what size alternator,and how big are your cables?
     
  3. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member

    96 toyota corolla - standard alternator ( i think 60amp could be 80amp )

    4 guage power n ground cables
     
  4. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    have you done the big 3? if not then do it. it can help.

    or you can add a battery or two. i have a bud with a neon and i just found out he runs his stock alt no big 3 but has 5 batts in the trunk.

    he has 2 1900 watt amps and 2 18's.
     
  5. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member

    Any ideas on a capcitor ? coz batterys are an expensive option....

    U think the capcitor would help out any? maybe a 2 farad cap?

    Planning on putting 6 targa 18's in a toyota hiace (mini bus taxi)... Any views on that... or any better ideas?
     
  6. G3n3R@1

    G3n3R@1 Full Member

    batteries are far more effective than capacitors, you can get a 50$ battery that will rival any capacitor. I recently installed an extra one in my friends system and his lights stopped dimming completely.
     
  7. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    hell, maybe a few 30-40 dollar walmart batts.
     
  8. cccullen

    cccullen Full Member

    targa? toyota hiace? where are you from?
     
  9. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member

    lol another continent :)

    But i can compare subs we have here to products on your side of the world...

    Only imports we have this side is -> EarthQuake, JBL, MTX, JL Audio, KENWOOD and PIONEER, rest are all local.
     
  10. cccullen

    cccullen Full Member

    well my side of the world is in the Philippines. When you mentioned targa and hiace the country where i live came to mind. that's why i was asking. lol
     
  11. cccullen

    cccullen Full Member

    well my side of the world is in the Philippines and not in the U.S. but i do visit home once a year. lol. When you mentioned targa and toyota hiace the country where i live came to mind. that's why i was asking. lol
     
  12. cccullen

    cccullen Full Member

    I've never heard of star sound, those amps may be overrated. If it's anything like the stuff we get over here sometimes it probably is. Now, if you are pushing that many watts then you alternator isn't up to the job.
    1. are you experiencing any dimming?
    2. also, your using 4 gauge wires with that kind of juice i would suggest you use 0 gauge wires.
    3. What subs are you using for the system? and how do you have them wired?
    4. where are you amps grounded to?
    5. A cap won't help you, my first suggestion would be to upgrade to the big 3, it will be cheaper for you to try this first. see if that will help.
    6. how many amps is the fuse under the hood near the battery?
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2008
  13. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member


    1. Yes heavy dimming at 2ohm (b4 cutting off) and Trimode stereo4ohm mono 8ohm (doesnt cut off)... but yeah alotta dimming.

    2. The 3600watt is peak power... its bout 900w rms at 2ohm stereo
    The 5200 is bout 1500(maybe more) rms 1ohm stable

    3. Had 2 12" pioneer champ series 40hm dvcs - 2Ohm stereo on the 3600
    watt (cuts off)
    Trimode - 80hm mono, 4ohm stereo - doesnt cut off
    1ohm on the 5200 ... 1 kick from the sub b4 it cuts off
    *But 2ohm stereo on a small 1800watt(PEAK) amp runs fine... but not
    enough power for the subs

    4. I hav it grounded to the chassis jus under the back seat... cleaned off
    the paint

    6. I hav a 100amp inline fuse... but my fuse holders keep melting... iv been
    thru like 5 fuse holders.

    Starsound is one of the top rated brands here in south africa.. it compares with the likes of EarthQuake and Pioneer...
    Previously iv had 2 12" EQ Tremors(8ohm svc's) and an A 2000w(Peak) American Pro Amp and that should run fine.
     
  14. electrolytic

    electrolytic Full Member

    Welcome! I've had that problem before with the amp cutting out when you turn it up, one time it was the ground was loose or the amp was not getting enough power and the other time my subs fried shortly after it started. And... another time my amp and subs fried LOL. If the amp goes to protect it usually means it's reading the resistance of your subs and when it sees that it's out of range, like almost fried it will go to protect. Or something internally wrong with the amp but that's hopefully the last thing to check. Overheating will cause the amp to go into protect also.

    If you have the stock alternator, that's only really meant to run the car and not much else. I would upgrade your alternator, do the big 3 wiring and maybe a second battery in the back beside the amps. I bought a used sealed battery from the scrap yard for $20.00 and it's worked beautifully ever since.
     
  15. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member


    LOL i also fried 2 dvc's :D ... will try big 3 b4 changing anything... thanks guys

    Oh and if anyone curious to see wat we have on my side of the world :) try these to websites www.xtcaudio.co.za and www.targa.co.za
     
  16. cccullen

    cccullen Full Member

    If you are having heavy dimming then that is a sign that your electrical isn't good enough. First, I would change the wires to at least 2 gauge then do the big 3 to see if that would be a help with the dimming and the amp cutting out.

    If your subs are DVC 4ohm then you can only wire them in either a 4ohm (series/parallel) or 1ohm (parallel/parallel) configuration.
    http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp?Q=2&I=42

    your ground seems ok as long as the ground wire isn't that long.

    For the fuse under the hood. just total up the fuses of the amps you are using and that is the fuse you should be using under the hood near the battery.

    Try all of that out and let us know how it goes. seeing that your alternator is very small, that may be a problem but just do the big three first and see how that will work out for you...
     
  17. wayne_eyez

    wayne_eyez Full Member

    LOL guys today i connected the 5200.1 with a JL 10" 8ohm svc(old one) in it cuts off... i think its definitely a power issue... thanks for all the help... will try big 3 sometime this week and let you know :)
    And then work on other things...

    Oh and u curious about what we have here in South Africa.. u can check out these websites - """www.xtcaudio.co.za"""" and """"www.targa.co.za""""