Ed O's

My understanding is they are a general purpose K series sub. I know the old K subs were ported indicative (and definately required to get low) woofer. My assumption is, and my direct contact with them leads me to believe the Ks are still ported drivers, and the O is a borderline driver, capable of sealed or ported apps. The O can be more closely associated with the Shiva.

I liked the old cone type K drivers and posted many very nice reviews of them, but the new K was just not a very good driver. It was a pretty good looking woofer, but it really sounded entry level.

The A series is Ed's cream of the crop. Maybe some day Ben or someone from ED will send me an A driver (since they are so sure it is the shit) and allow me an honest review. I know they are all aware of my honesty about driver reviews (Lord knows, enough people were stunned that I suggested the old K driver was in most cases a better choice for in car use for most enthusiasts than the Shiva), and maybe that is why I have not recieved an offer .

I'm just giving the Ed guys a hard time, but seriously, I would love to have a 12A to play with for a few weeks.

Ummm, the old K series was a good sounding sub, but a bit flat down low. It struggled like it wanted a port. The SOB got really loud though, and I mean damn good and loud for the price. My thought is SQ was somewhat of a concern but SPL was primary. The new K got neither as loud as, or sounded near as good as the old K. My assumption is the O driver is more SQ based (as to what I was lead about the design goals) with the ability to get good and loud. Like I suggested earlier, like a Shiva, but louder.

 

from my understanding, it's a K suited for IB installs.

Yes, the old K's blew me away. Haven't used the new ones yet.







Jeff

 

The Kx line is Elemental's entry level line. No experience with them. Suited for sealed or ported applications.

The K line is the next up, also good for sealed or ported applications, but with more output than the Kx line. No experience here either, but the old K series wanged pretty good, and sounded decent as well.

The O series is the next level up, and right under the A series. They are designed for sealed and infinite baffle applications only, ported is a huge no-no with the O series subs. I had a 10O in the car for quite a while, and it was a really good sounding sub. Very transparent and lower levels, but I never cranked the sub up but one time. When I did give it some volume, with 250w on it, it was straining pretty good, so I decided not to push it since it wasnt my sub. Output wasn't anything spectacular, but it did get decently loud, albeit not sounding too great while doing it.

The A series is their flagship sub and I've had experience with the 12A in a sealed box with 400w. In all honesty, it was one of the best sounding subs I've ever heard to date. It took some work to get it to blend, alot of crossover work, but I finally got it, and it sounded wonderful. Not quite up to the Brahma and Magnum D2, but for the type of music I listen to (mostly rock), it sounded awesome. Alot of attack and punch in the upper range, while still maintaining massive low end, to be expected from a 20+mm excursion sub. It wasn't the most natural sounding sub on stuff like jazz, classical, and music such as that, but for everyday music that I listen to, I loved it.

All in all my experience with ED speakers is that they're some great sounding speakers at a really good price. Just a little run down of my experience with their speakers. I do usually recommend them since for what you get for the price, they are hard to beat. Their Kx and K lines are awesome for the buck, but once you step into the higher priced subs, I prefer other subs out there (Magnum D2 I loved for everything, and the Brahma was an awesome sub as well, although the B12 I had sealed lacked in punch, but the B10 I heard ported was jaw-dropping and probably one of the best sounding setups I've ever heard) Just my .02 cents.

 

While I've heard Ben comment that the O's are a bit of a sleeper-SQ sub...
The XXX's are in another class - but they also have the price tag to reflect that.

 

this is somewhat dissappointing.... i was always under the impression that all the revisions to the K line of subs & the rest of eD's subs made them both better sounding and/or better SPL wise..... now i hear the opposite, still a pretty driver, sure it still sounds decently good.

 

As far as Seth's review goes on those O's, i spoke with Courtney (flawlesskid) about that listening session and he said it did not last too long. For me, it takes multiple sessions to really get the feel for the sound of a driver because many of them sound so different.

Now, IIRC, i don't think Courtney had the same thoughts as Seth, but i could be wrong. Hopefully Courtney will jump in at some point and state his opinion on the difference between new and old.

 

I thought the New K sounded a lil better, but it didn't have the low end the K of old did. It was a lil more snappy, and i'd say much better if you decide to cross it high, around 80hz or so. The old K did better at my 63hz setting with a 24db slope. To me it was definately a better quality woofer than the old K. Build quality was much better. The old K had mechanical noise out the ass. The new K was much more silent.

But of course, you are talkin about the O, and i have no experience with it. From what i hear, it is an SQ woofer through and through, not much louder the K's. I'd definately like to spend some time with the O's and A's. Mainly the 10" models.

 

I'm a huge fan of the O series...owned and used an e10o for quite some time. Fantastic build quality, and a sweet sounding driver. That and the IDMAX are my two favorite drivers I've used to date. The O has a very slight bit more linear excursion than the K's, but it does have a beefier motor and has a very very nice low end. Not obnoxious, don't get me wrong, but it had low end authority.

 

I never heard the O's Chris, and believe me it doesn't take alot of listening to determine any differances and how we feel about them.

A good example of course being the Sea's. 3 seconds told me they are not my cup of tea, at least in a 2 way set. It took me 3 seconds to realise they had NO bottom end, and overly peaky midrange. I would have left the PLs in there.

And I listened to them considerably less than the K series sub I referred to.

And besides, you have less time with my install than I had with the new K, and you find it very easy to be critical after your brief session.

 

We are doing an SQ-oriented XBL^2-enabled sub that will be available in a 15" version, and a more SPL-oriented non-XBL^2 sub that will also be available in a 15" version.
We haven't finalized either of these subs at this point, in fact efficiency with respect to enclosure size is one trade-off that I'm working on, trying to strike an appropriate balance. Have any comment, as far as what you would expect out of a sub? B)

I'm wouldn't expect Seth to have a waiting list for these subs, for a couple reasons.
One, we haven't officially announced what our product lines will end up being, so we wouldn't anticipate much demand due to that yet. Keeping quiet..
Two, we are working hard so that we won't need to do any pre-orders when we do make our official announcements... we want to be able to give our customers at a minimum a solid shipping date at the time they place their orders. B)

 

Yeah, I told him pretty much the same thing about the release of drivers in an e-mail he shot me.

As far as any pre-order or waiting list, I am not running anything beyond the scope of what Chris and Bart say. As of right now it will be, as I suggested in my e-mail, kind of a surprise.

I'd be glad to keep you in mind, and be sure you are shipped the first of what comes out of S-F, but aside from that, I will not take your money or any order untill the release date is set in stone.

 

I never heard the O's Chris, and believe me it doesn't take alot of listening to determine any differances and how we feel about them.

A good example of course being the Sea's. 3 seconds told me they are not my cup of tea, at least in a 2 way set. It took me 3 seconds to realise they had NO bottom end, and overly peaky midrange. I would have left the PLs in there.

And I listened to them considerably less than the K series sub I referred to.

And besides, you have less time with my install than I had with the new K, and you find it very easy to be critical after your brief session. [/b][/quote]
I never said you heard the O's...but you gave a review on them based on your experience with the K's...a review full of assumptions. My point was, you made up your mind based on a very short listening time with the new K, which isn't fair. I do believe i've had more time listening to your setup than you took listening to Courtney's new K. I'd like you explain to me how the 6-7 times we've met up and listened to your setup is less than 1 time (which courtney says amounted to about 5 minutes) that you had a chance to listen to the new K.

If you had experience with the O, that's one thing, but to make assumptions on what the O sounds like based on your experience with the K doesn't make sense to me. That's like saying the w3 shouldn't sound very good because the w0's sound like ass.

I knew you wouldn't care for the Seas mids...which is why i didn't offer for you to listen to them right off the bat. For people that care for definition in their upper midrange, they are a great set of mids. For those that don't...don't buy them. The PL's just make a bunch of noise above about 1.2-1.5khz...no definition. If THAT's your cup of tea, more power to ya, but it ain't mine.

BTW, contrary to popular belief, never have i been outwardly critical of your install. I've stated that the sound isn't for me, nothing more. Meanwhile, we both know how you feel about my setup with your outwardly critical comments (i.e. worst component set you'd ever heard...nice touch). I see no wrong in my comments and will continue to make them...obviously .

 

The W0's don't sound like ass though. B)

But seriously...
Let's not stray off topic here, your histories, your experiences with component sets, your comments regarding each others midwoofers... completely off topic. :ranting:

I'd edit your post down to what's relevant, but I'm not that sort of guy either.

I'm hoping you guys can just keep the driving on the road, and the pissing in the rest areas off to the side of the road, if you know what I mean... mm kay?
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You're a fan of group hugs aren't ya geo? :love:

 

I apologize for going off-topic. I have experience as well with the K series woofer, but the question concerned the O's, and i just didn't see any relevance in discussing the capabilities of the K when it was not the woofer in question.

Sorry for the comment about the w0's too...it was the only analogy i could think of at the time .