Crossover Question - Ranger and Viking I think!

Discussion in 'Car Stereo Speakers' started by jonnyv713, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Hey, I think I am mainly talking to Ranger and Viking here, but I will post up for all input.

    I am planning on doing a badazz front stage in the GP. It will consist of 2 Selenium 6W4Ps per door and 1 ST200 tweeter per door.

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-422&scqty=4

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-348

    I will be needing to make a crossover. I have a 2 channel amp though. Will I be able to set it to about 80Hz-100Hz HPF and then make a crossover for just the tweeters? Then wire them all in parallel for about a 3Ohm load?

    How do you build a crossover for the tweeter? Please help guys!
     
  2. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    lets look at a few things

    the 2) 6 inch mid bass drivers have a rather high roll off at the upper end, so we dont want them playing into the range of the tweeters. The tweeters are VERY efficient at 105 dB !

    Speaker placement and power input will also help determine at what frequencies we should roll of the upper end of the mids and the low end of the tweets. Also are you planning on haveing this strictly for SQ or to tear your face off!!!! ?
     
  3. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    I'm not really into SQ as of right now. I dont have a lot of power on tap. My 2 channel is rated at 220x2 @ 2 ohms. I mainly wanna keep uup with my sub and yes, tear your face off haha.
     
  4. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    220 x2 isn't a lot of power for you? lol. im running 110 x2 to 6 speakers and it gets plenty loud in my truck.

    im not sure it will be running at 2 ohms tho. im running 2 mids and a tweet per channel @ 2 ohms. both mids are crossed over by the head at 80HZ hi pass. the tweet has its own passive crossover that it came with. only its not showing resistance to the amp. so the amp only "sees" the 2 mids.

    but with the tweets high S/N ratio i think you'll still be happy with the output.

    im sure there is a way to build a passive set up that can let the amp see a 2 ohm load. not sure on this, but im sure there is a way.

    funny thing is i was going to ask this very same question to these two guys. i went to the book store to look for any books on the subject with no luck.

    i wouldn't mind knowing how to make attenuation circuits and the like.
     
  5. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Well, WinISD has calculators and stuff, but these guys have far more knowledge on this than I could ever dream of, I'm sure. But ya Pedro, I have about 3500RMS going to my sub. so I think I may need alot of front stage. I dont know though. 220 is probably about enough I'm thinkin.

    I was going to buy a Sherwood AX6275 and do a front stage off of that, but I will be spending the extra money I save on deadening, alternator, and batteries. Heck, I think I will be buying a new amp here shortly, too. I wanna see what this one is like though first.

    Back on track though. How bout these crossovers guys?
     
  6. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    i am thinking that the tweets will need a x-over point of about 8kHz at 18dB/oct. A few reasons for this, first it will enable greater power handling, second it will blend in with the roll off of the mids, and third, it will put it well above the Fs point which is unknown in the specs sheet. An additional note here, If you plan on running this at high levels for extended periods, may think about also incorporating a small automotive light bulb and resistor in with the tweeter circuit.....I will have check into the protection circuit more...been years since I did it, but it makes the tweeter blow proof (almost)
     
  7. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Well, lets start with the crossover haha.

    It probably wont be used for long periods of time, unless I borrow them for a little PA system for parties and stuff.
     
  8. camusmuse

    camusmuse Full Member

    If I remember correctly(its been a while for me too) the "light" trick works when the light is run in parallel with a wire(i never used a resistor)...and those are then placed in series with the speaker....the power will usually run the path of least resistance(the wire parallel with the light) and when the tweeter is overpowered or clipped the light will actually light up and "absorb" the DC voltage(clipping)....sorry if that is a bit confusing, but that is the best my poor old brain cells can come up with at the moment.

    Oh...even if you dont run for long periods of time, it doesnt take but a fraction of a second to pop a tweeter....especially trying to keep up with 3500w of subs......
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2011
  9. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Ok, how do I make one now? haha
     
  10. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    oh boy....now i gotta go dig out my old files and tech sheets...if I can find the darn things!!! I think they are up in the mezanine of my shop, but not sure....and its like....3 degrees out, and the heat is off out there!!! let me see what I can find......
     
  11. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

  12. morespl

    morespl Full Member

    There is crosovers already set up with a light

    my directed neo 6.5s have em
     
  13. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    So does this look right? But, I just cut out the woofer stuff?

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  14. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    yep....... give that a try!
     
  15. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Ok, then just put this on a little pc board or what? I just gotta have everything together right? And I can get all this at radioshack?
     
  16. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    you can use a PC board, or even solder them all together and use use silicone to fasten them inside a small project box with input and output wires coming out of it. Radio shack might have what you need. If not look at parts express . com.....

    Be sure to use a minimum of 100 volt caps and might think about using iron core inductors to prevent coil saturation since you are pushing alot of power
     
  17. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    How many mH for the inductors?
     
  18. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    .12 mH...............its L1 in the diagram
     
  19. jonnyv713

    jonnyv713 The Young Gun of CAT

    Oh, duh! how come I cant find any caps that are exacty those specs?
     
  20. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Alot of times you wont find EXACTLY what a x-over design program spits out for values. It just gives you the numbers as needed EXACTLY for a DEAD ON value. Most caps and coils have a tolerance of 5 - 10% + or - .......

    So with that said, get caps that are as close to the values as stated. Or even get 2 to make one. example....a 100 uF and a 20 uF wired in parrellel together will make a 120uF cap.