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Install tweaters in a stock system?

Discussion in 'Car Stereo Speakers' started by jcrew3002, Jun 11, 2006.

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  1. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    the stock system in my 2004 hyundai elantra is a four speaker system with a stock tape player head unit. i may install an aftermarket cd player later. how do i put in a pair of 1" tweaters? i plan to install them into the front doors near the top of the dash. but how do i hook them up to the stock headunit? the stock headunit is made for 4 speakers not 6, as you know i am a newb at this^_^
     
    jcrew3002, Jun 11, 2006
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  2. weird22person

    weird22person Full Member

    Dont bother with the speakers untill you upgrade the headunit. Once you do that replace the stock speaker with a set of 2 ways that have a tweeter.
     
    weird22person, Jun 11, 2006
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  3. Ranger SVO

    Ranger SVO Full Member

    Can I add my 2-cents worth.

    As long as the tweeters are added with crossovers in line your factory radio will not even know that the tweeters are there.

    I would just inline them with your factory speakers. Also I prefer 18dB per octave crossovers on tweeters. Reason, high frequencies are directional and an odd-order crossover will put the tweeter slightly out of phase and make it less directional.

    Sorry you ended up with 10-cents worth
     
    Ranger SVO, Jun 11, 2006
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  4. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    so i should just replace my stock door speakers all together? i already install some nice rear speakers. but i noticed that my brothers BMW has about 8 speakers total. and the front door has the two 6.5 speakers and near the dash there are the two tweaters, the sound those speakers make is ridiculous, i know ill never get to that kind of sound quality but i know i can get closer with 4 speakers in the front door, two 6.5 speakers and two 1" tweaters, or is it possible to have two tweaters in the back doors or would that just be to many twearters, and to get a nice system like that and not break the bank how much would i be looking at spending for an 8 speaker setup? random guess around $600?
     
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    jcrew3002, Jun 12, 2006
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  5. Ranger SVO

    Ranger SVO Full Member

    Here is what I would do

    Replace the front door speakers and add tweeters if you like. Then change the factory Head Unit. Your sound quality will go up alot

    On mounting speakers, doors are flimsy. We need to put a little Dynomat on the door to let the speaker perform at its best. If there is room behind the door panel, build an MDF board the the speaker can mount to and mount the MDF board to the door.

    The more solid the speaker mount the better it will perform. Remember any vibration you can feel in the door is sound that is being absorbed and not heard. Make the area that the speaker mounts in solid.

    With a 500-dollar budget you should be able to have a really good sounding basic system that you can add to later.
     
    Ranger SVO, Jun 12, 2006
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  6. weird22person

    weird22person Full Member

    When you ask about the number of tweeters do you include 2 way speakers as a tweeter too?
     
    weird22person, Jun 12, 2006
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  7. Ranger SVO

    Ranger SVO Full Member

    I do not. When I say tweeters I am talking about an add on tweeter.

    The reason I like add on tweeters with door mounted speakers is that in most cars the door speakers are much to low. By adding tweeters up higher in the doors you can bring the sound up, greatly improving the quality of the sound.

    Now with that said I just want to bring up one thing, I do not like tweeters mounted high in the A-Pillars. That causes to much seperation between the source speaker and the highs from the add on tweeter and in most cases does not sound good.
     
    Ranger SVO, Jun 12, 2006
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  8. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    i was thinking about adding the tweeters on the front doors right behind the side view mirrors on the inside of the door, there is actually alot room there so that i can build a super small MDF and paint it to blend right in, you wont even see it. the hight level in relation to a persons ear when there sitting in the front seat of the car of the tweeters will be about 2 inches under the average persons ear when sitting and about 1ft-2ft in front of them, the stock speakers are about 2ft in front of the persons ear and about 2ft under, will that cause an imbalance of sound because of the positioning of the tweeters and the 6.5 speakers?

    the tweeters in the back doors may go dead middle of the doors right under the window, so a person sitting in the back: the tweeter will be an inch in front of there ear and about 1/2ft under. or i was thinking about mounting the back tweeters right next to the rear speakers.
     
    jcrew3002, Jun 12, 2006
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  9. Ranger SVO

    Ranger SVO Full Member

    It should sound great, and the tweeter location is ideal.

    Just remember to take your time and the install will look great.

    Take your time and have fun.
     
    Ranger SVO, Jun 12, 2006
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  10. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    so how would i go about setting up 8 speakers? do i just splice the tweeters into the exsiting wires? the picture below shows a rough draft of how i plan to do it. the ovals are speakers and the black dots are tweeters, the red box is a head unit, if i install an amp will the front stock speakers be able to handle it? should i go ahead and upgrade the front speakers already
     

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    jcrew3002, Jun 12, 2006
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  11. CadillacETC1997

    CadillacETC1997 Well-Known Member

    yup install them that way if you wanna blow the tweeters out... you need a cross over to seperate the highs and lows so that only the highs get sent to the tweeters and mids/lows get sent to the speaker.
     
    CadillacETC1997, Jun 13, 2006
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  12. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    o ok thats why some tweeters come with crossovers. do the crossovers hook up the the headunit?
     
    jcrew3002, Jun 13, 2006
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  13. Hautewheeler

    Hautewheeler Full Member

    The crossovers that you get with tweets should be "passive" type which means that they will not go anywhere near the HU. splice wires from the existing speaker leads (close as you can to where the tweets will be mounted) and the crossovers will go between the original leads and the new tweets (in series on the positive lead, preferably)

    PS... am I the only sicko here that noticed that your diagram looks like some kinda freaky stick people porn drawing?
     
    Hautewheeler, Jun 13, 2006
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  14. CadillacETC1997

    CadillacETC1997 Well-Known Member

    you saying that haut made me take another look at that diagram

    i must add you are one ****ed up individual this is a audio talk forum not sick-os anaytomas....
     
    CadillacETC1997, Jun 13, 2006
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  15. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    HAHAHAHAHA Wheelie you are truely a sick bastard...but then again so am i...i just dont really go for the stick people porn but if thats what you like than have at it. lol
     
    aznboi3644, Jun 14, 2006
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  16. Hautewheeler

    Hautewheeler Full Member

    hey.. sometimes you see things differently than others.. "guess I'm just a sick sick bastard"-eminem.
    The drawing was wonderful, and descriptive, next time, I hope the speakers have big juicy round crossovers intalled on top!:D
     
    Hautewheeler, Jun 14, 2006
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  17. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    you guys are crazy:rolleyes: but hey i found some speakers that seem to have it all for the front doors, there component system KICKER KS5.2 5-1/4" 5.25" 2-WAY CAR COMPONENT SPEAKERS, they have removable tweaters, so ill put the speakers in the door and the tweaters up near the dash. are they good speakers though?
     
    jcrew3002, Jun 15, 2006
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  18. Hautewheeler

    Hautewheeler Full Member

    Kickers are great speaks.. Not the best, but a whole lot better than what ya had in there before..

    Enjoy them..
     
    Hautewheeler, Jun 15, 2006
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  19. jcrew3002

    jcrew3002 Full Member

    are infinity speakers better? i found a pair with a setup just like the ones i metioned but they cost $99.99
     
    jcrew3002, Jun 15, 2006
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  20. CadillacETC1997

    CadillacETC1997 Well-Known Member

    ok kicker are better than infinity referance ive had both in the same car in the same spot with same power i bought both tried them and returned the ref. HOWEVER kappas blow the kickers away and perfects well they are the Cadillac of speakers...
     
    CadillacETC1997, Jun 15, 2006
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