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Discussion in 'General Car Audio Discussions' started by explicit6486, Jul 2, 2004.

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  1. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    alright..
    so i sent in my 12" Brahma because the spider ripped off the cone after a few months of having it. they said the turnaround time is 2-4 weeks. they have had it for a month and a half, and apparently they dont even have the parts to recone it yet!!!!!! i hate adire audio! in the meantime, i've got a boston acoustics PV800 home audio sub to fill in the low-note gap in my music... but I WANT MY BRAHMA BACK GOD DAMMIT...

    just ventin. :wacko:
     
    explicit6486, Jul 2, 2004
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  2. jstutman

    jstutman Full Member

    welcome and feel free to vent. steven i believe commented on this issue once before about not having the parts. dunno where the post is, i forgot
     
    jstutman, Jul 2, 2004
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  3. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    yea, they've GOT to do somethin about this. it makes me want to go back to JL.. haha
     
    explicit6486, Jul 2, 2004
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  4. sandt38

    sandt38 Full Member

    I understand your position, but I must say if you had the driver for a few weeks you know there is simply no going back to JL... The sound is simply that much better.

    It is worth the wait, I feel... when you get it back you will agree.

    Also, this is funny... I know of very few MKII failures. You say the spider seperated from the former? I am interested in the failure and the install information. Please share...
     
    sandt38, Jul 2, 2004
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  5. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    I've heard of glue failures where the edge of the spider lets go of the basket (in fact - one of my 10W6's did this years ago... I fixed it and haven't had a problem since)...

    ...but you definitely don't often hear of failures where the spider lets go of the former/cone joint... particularly with the liberal quantity of the rock-hard glue that they use on what they refer to as the "triple joint" (cone/former/spider).

    I didn't know there was an issue with parts for the subs...
    Do you have a MkI, or MkII Brahma?
    Possibly they are all tooled up for MkII's now, and don't have any MkI cone units currently - since the basket for the MkII is slightly deeper, the cone unit will be slightly different - simply in that the MkII former is deeper, save for any changes that I don't know of otherwise. ;)
     
    geolemon, Jul 2, 2004
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  6. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    It's a Mark II. Here's the email I just got tonight... AHHH. :blink:

    We have examined the Brahma and found the voice coil to have charring, the
    tinsel leads were worn and frayed, and the spider looks to have torn from
    the triple joint. These are indications of abuse and we have decided not to
    cover the driver under warranty. We can recone it for you for $99. Please
    let us know.

    To prevent this problem from happening again, we recommend the gains on the
    amp being turned down to the proper level and a subsonic filter added to
    prevent over excursion.

    Warranty department,
    Adire Audio


    I had the subsonic filter at 125 Hz... It was in a .92 cubic foot sealed box at first, but here's the thing. I don't know too much technical aspects of the sub, and it would sound a little distorted when I turned up the sub. Apparently, the guy who installed it at hi fi buys thought it was Dual 4 Ohm. It is not.. as I found out later, it is Dual 2 Ohm. So i had it running at 1 Ohm, and I was pushing it with a 1501bd Rockford Fosgate amp, so it was getting ~ low 2000 watts RMS- altough it is rated for 900 watts in that enclosure size! shit. call me retarded, please. is it worth getting reconed?
     
    explicit6486, Jul 3, 2004
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  7. Steven Kephart

    Steven Kephart Full Member

    I'm sorry it is taking so long. I do want to point out that our website says: "Turnaround of received warranty products takes a minimum of 2-4 weeks". But of course we do our best to beat that time. We are unfortunately out of coils, and are awaiting new ones. We have been doing what we can to get these things in as soon as possible. But in the mean time we have stripped down all the recones we have so when the parts come in we can have them rebuilt as soon as possible. We do not like having our customer have to wait to get their sub back. We would much rather have you enjoying your sub.

    Steven Kephart
    Adire Audio
     
    Steven Kephart, Jul 3, 2004
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  8. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    Yea, I was just venting. I loved that thing when I had it. I'm actually thinkin about getting it reconed (if it is worth it) as well as buying a new one... But then again, could you "feel the bass" in a sealed box with two twelves? I can in some of my friends car (who have multiple subs in a sealed box), but I definately couldn't when my Brahma was in a sealed box... Has anyone heard 2 Brahma 12's in a sealed box...?
     
    explicit6486, Jul 3, 2004
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  9. hobbes26

    hobbes26 Full Member

    Err... I'd say it was the installer's fault. They should have checked it with an Ohmmeter if they weren't sure. Then again, when you heard distortion.... :)

    Do you mean, 25Hz?
     
    hobbes26, Jul 3, 2004
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  10. The_Ancient

    The_Ancient Full Member

    yea, I would make HiFi Buys Pay for it, it was CLEARLY an Install Problem and they (last time I check) warranty their Installation for LIFE..

    so they should pay the cost.. Take the Email in to them and say "your installer blew my shit up I want my Money"

    as far as the Subzsonic if you had ti set that high, how in the held did you hear anything? t125 would effictivly make your subwoofer a Midbass since everything below 125hz would be FILTER out..

    are you sure it was not the low pass crossover, that would be differant


    I am sure it is worth it, but having the customer pay for a recone is a rarity anyway. Most major manufacturers do it free even in cases like this but......
     
    The_Ancient, Jul 3, 2004
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  11. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    Yea, its a LPF. I didn't even know there was a difference.... oops.
     
    explicit6486, Jul 3, 2004
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  12. fugyaself

    fugyaself Full Member

    If you do not want to pay for the recone I will and take over the driver. I will also add another $50. :)
     
    fugyaself, Jul 3, 2004
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  13. The_Ancient

    The_Ancient Full Member

    I will give you $50.01 ;) :p
     
    The_Ancient, Jul 3, 2004
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  14. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member




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    Hmm.. in that case, I guess it is worth it. Another dumb question though- Would 1600 watts be enough to push 2 12 Brahma's in a sealed box that'll hit hard?.. or a ported box that sounds real clean with a great dynamic responce?
     
    explicit6486, Jul 3, 2004
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  15. The_Ancient

    The_Ancient Full Member

    yes

    but Dont have the same installer-- install it again ;)
     
    The_Ancient, Jul 3, 2004
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  16. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    Where can I buy the parts to make a box? I'm probably going to build a solid sealed box myself.. HiFi buys can do it for like $300, but I figure I can do it myself..
     
    explicit6486, Jul 3, 2004
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  17. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    It can handle the power....
    But it needs to be in the right enclosure.

    Definitely be sure you aren't clipping your gains.
    If they saw charring on the VC, you were really beating on that thing, if you knew it or not.

    You could have had a 1000w amp, and been sending 2000w to it, because you were virtually sending square waves through the sub... it's very difficult to hear low levels of distortion at those low frequencies, so by the time you do hear distortion even a teeny bit - it's already over 10% distorted generally. :eek:
    ...and what I'm talking about is clipping... you don't want to do that.

    Here's what I'd advise:
    1) properly match the subwoofer to an enclosure that'll be appropriate given the amount of power that you will be feeding it.
    2) set your gains properly - no clipping!
    3) if you decide that enclosure will be a ported one, engage the subsonic filter on your amp - even if just 20 or 25hz - or buy an amp/component that has a subsonic filter (some HU's do these days).

    That really should keep you out of trouble - even when YOU think you actually ARE "beating on" your system. :lol:
     
    geolemon, Jul 3, 2004
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  18. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    We'd be glad to help you build a box...

    Or, if you are nervous about ending up in trouble again though, I can build one for you, professionally...
    I'm working with Sound Foundations now to build carpeted, basically simple and solid enclosures (sealed OR ported) at good prices, and I've got quite a bit of experience with these Brahma beasties. B)

    But if you have basic construction skills, own basic tools like a drill, circular saw, and jigsaw (and/or can borrow them), I'd be glad to help you build your own as well... I can tell you how, you'd save about half the cost of having me build you one. B)
     
    geolemon, Jul 3, 2004
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  19. explicit6486

    explicit6486 Full Member

    Sounds great. I definately have all of those things laying around, it is just a matter of me purchasing the second sub. I've already got a great sealed and ported box, built to specs of my demands as well as my amp (those guys at hi fi buys know what they are doin). The only problem was they were built to spec, but the installer wired it at one ohm instead of four. The installers had never heard of Adire Audio- now they just know me as the kid with the blown sub with home audio subs hooked up now.. haha.. basshead for life! I swear its like a drug.. But I digress.. It was a pretty bad misunderstanding that they had it wired at one ohm though- I believe we never really communicated that to eachother. The voice coils were probably charred from when I had it in my sealed box- that is the only time I heard distortion from my Brahma (until the spider ripped off when i had it in the ported box)... I'll definately come back here if I decide to get a new Brahma as well as recone the old one- I'm thinking ported would be waaaay too loud, so two 12's in a sealed box will definately be nasty.. as long as they sound clear and pound!
     
    explicit6486, Jul 4, 2004
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  20. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member


    Very very bold statement there Seth. Even while knowing your love for the brahma, I almost don't believe you would make that claim.. SQ is definately subjective for the most part, but c'mon, even if you do believe the brahma sounds better, its a bit much to say the difference is that huge.. You may be correct in regards to the w3, or possibly a w6, but there's more to JL and they have something that can lock horns with a brahma anyday. I highly doubt Dan Wiggins himself would even make a claim like that. I prefer the dub sebbin over the brahma, but i wouldn't dare say its better to the point that a brahma is just out of the question.
     
    flawlesskid, Jul 4, 2004
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