Ok, Im Gonna Give It A Shot

Discussion in 'General Car Audio Discussions' started by flawlesskid, Dec 10, 2003.

  1. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    Any ideas on what would be best size and tuning frequency guys? I'm not interested in SQ ported, just want something to tear shit up! What you got for me?
     
  2. delvryboy

    delvryboy Full Member

    definately driver dependent...would this be for the 10w7 in your sig?
     
  3. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    Sure thing. I put that info just under the topic. Kinda small, easy to miss. My bad.
     
  4. delvryboy

    delvryboy Full Member

    jsut real quick....all i have on this comp is isd beta...1.5 cubes...25inches of port...26hz tune...

    i'll let the experts take it from here

    when i build...all i'm lookin for is a nice 43-48hz peak...lol
     
  5. nismo

    nismo Full Member

    DONT follow my local shop's lead. they had a 12dub and 10dub on display, the 12 ported to 35 hz, and the 12 ported to 40 hz! they were loud, but sounded like crap.

    eric
     
  6. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    I'm a lil skeptical of what Winisd tells me to do as far as an enclosure goes lately. When i setup a ported enclosure in winisd for the 10w7, it gave me something in the area of 3.2 cubes, but with a tuning frequency of 22hz! Thats a good bit below the subs FS, and isn't that a bad thing? I always thought you should tune around FS, and not to far below.
     
  7. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    That's just a starting point, silly! :D

    WinISD has to start you out somewhere, right?

    Try modelling up a Cerwin Vega Stroker 15... it'll start you out with a 0.4 cu.ft. box tuned to 68hz! :lol:

    It just tries to give you a friendly starting point, based on some algorithm it has.

    Change it, of course. That's what the modelling software is for! :detective:



    You might want to do a dual-chamber vented enclosure, if you are looking for a good, all-around "fun" enclosure, that puts real street cred over SPL-competition type bass (which, outside that tuning frequency, doesn't hit real well at all, typically).
    The dual-chamber vented enclosure essentially establishes a single enclosure that has two distinct tuning frequencies.. one up high (such as 45 or 50hz) to give you that big-peak SPL-comp winning boost up around 40-50hz... and one down low, around 25-30hz, to give you the big bass as the frequencies drop (and also prevent your subs from overexcursion down there too, no subsonic filter required... or desired. B)).
    Sound like what you are looking for?
     
  8. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    Thats a very interesting enclosure idea Geo. I read the page about it, but it doesn't tell me of any advantage other than reduced excursion thus giving better power handling. According the their design you tune all ports to the same frequency. If i wanted to do design it to have 2 tuning frequencies, how would it work and how would i go about doing it?
     
  9. trifle

    trifle Full Member

    feel free to correct me if i'm wrong anyone....this is just a theory, i am not stating it as fact...but even though the ports are the same size due to the changes in enclosure volumes and possibly other factors (traveling through the port into the other side of the enclosure) would change the tuning point of the one...which gives you the 2 different tuning points...

    is this anywhere close to correct????
     
  10. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    Yea, thats exactly correct. I missed that. My oops
     
  11. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    Yes, the ports and their lengths are all the same dimensions...
    But the box does have two chambers, which usually have a 2:1 ratio between them.
    This is what varies the tuning between the two ports.
    Also, consider that the subwoofer is mounted in one chamber... so for the sound energy to escape from one port, it simply needs to exit the port, same as a typical ported enclosure. For sound to escape out the other port, it needs to travel through the center port, into the other chamber where the mass of air in effect resonates just like if it were an actual subwoofer itself... and then the air has to travel through the third port to finally exit the enclosure.

    You can vary the chamber ratios, to bring the tuning frequencies closer or farther together, but typically 2:1 is what people use.
     
  12. flawlesskid

    flawlesskid Full Member

    Question. With this enclosure, would it be safer to go below Fs? I'd imagine so considering how it limits excursion. What ya think?
     
  13. geolemon

    geolemon Full Member

    Safer to go below Fs?
    Maybe I don't follow quite what you are asking...

    You can play virtually any frequency with this type of enclosure, due to it's two tuning frequencies... near either frequency, excursion is minimized.
    And no need even for a subsonic filter.

    Of course, if you raise the entire system's tuning high enough that your lower tuning frequency is high enough, you might employ a subsonic filter...
    But IMO (unless you narrowed the two tuning frequencies together, via chamber ratios), by the time you did that, you'd end up raising the higher tuning frequency beyond a useful point anyway.