Car Audio Forum????

Of course CAF has its problems, but, Seth, I think it is a little overkill to say that all the people who love car audio and care about it are gone...

All it takes is one person to disprove that, right? Two examples, that fit, in my opinion, are Chris (geolemon chris, not one of the others, neccessarily) and Stephen P...

 

as i don't agree with the direction of this thread...i do agree with Hazards last post....recommending products that you have no experience with

there is nothing wrong with trying to help someone to the best of you ability...but if you have '0' experience with a product...the correct thing would be to steer the individual to a person who does have the experience and knowledge

this is a problem on all forums....the reason it does not arise here is because there is a lack of newcomers

it is very easy for a newb to jump on a bandwagon(because thats what he reads everyday) and recommend products he has no experience with

the other problem that i see is that a person may own a product and read a disfavorable thread on that same product...then he resorts to defending that product at all costs...this has nothing to do with being a noob...even the 'minds' tend to do it

some people will bash Ed because it was compared to the brahma..."my goodness..this Ed product cannot be as great as my almighty brahma"

some people will bash Adire because it was compared to the 15A..."my goodness..this Adire product cannot be as great as my almighty 15A"

the same holds true for other manufacturers as well

some people cannot possibly stand to loose an arguement regardless who is right

sometimes loosing an arguement or admitting you are wrong gains you a wealth of knowledge

while i like CAT...it does not move fast enough nor is it diverse enough for my needs...so i continue to hang at all the forums

 

oops

i just replied to your post about the EQs... but i have no exp with them

i put disclaimer on there tho

but ya i know what you mean, Hazard....
maybe they're on drugs or something?
them just goin OT on so many of the threads the past few days...


CAF is what got me into this whole thing in the first place... well, not really
but I learned SO MUCH from being on there for the past few months...

maybe its not worth it, but maybe bug War to keep the topics on topic
would be good.... ?

 

Well, i started out at sounddomain many moons ago. I got tired of them. Biggest bandwagon gang around IMO.

Caf. i cant keep up with caf. I'll post something at noon, and by 5pm, i cant find the thread anymore. Far too fast paced. You got a lot of different views and opinions over there, but the problem is that far too many people speak without actually knowing. The newb's get led astray to some guy who suggest an e12a off of pure hype and not knowing a single thing about the woofer personally or any other woofer at that. You got a few cats over there that do right by the newbs, but the inexperienced outweigh them by so much. Then you got the guys who are just so biased that they just want to fight for the honor of their product of choice no matter what. I'll continue to go there as there is so much going on that you are bound to catch something interesting, such as geo's post about current driving a woofer. Great read indeed. Or seeing steven ponts 4" peak to peak 12" woofer.

 

not trying to thread jack...but since this is a "what happened to....?" thread

does anyone know what happened to termpro?

 

You are right, I should have said "the majority of", not all. Look at the guys who loved it so much they built tutorials around their passion... Where are they now?

You are also amoung those who love audio and are good at it as well . Chris of course, but bias (and also direct association with certain companies) has led others to ignore fact, and target selling their own product.

I know you may say, look in the mirror pal, but I was hard core Adire long before my affiliation with them. And I think the unique technologies speak for themselves ...

Look for some new and exciting goodies to be up and coming in the near future as well

 

Maybe it got moderated so much it imploded LOL... JK

I don't know. I stopped going there a LONG time ago. I was told I know nothing about cars (by a mod), and all replies (no matter how civil and true, I don't bullshit about cars) were deleted.

I figured screw that, I got better things to do with my time. I'll help people who really want help, and appreciate help.

 

"Majority" would have been cool, and I may even agree with that? Maybe... Broad generalazations tend to tick me off, though I have done it myself... We are all hypocritical in some ways...

Thanks for the compliment, sir.

Can't argue with you about the cool technology that hs come from Adire... Heck, I am a rep with BEtter Audio who, as you know, will be using that technology, shortly.


Man, the smilies here rock my world. :bash:

 

Maybe it got moderated so much it imploded LOL... JK

I don't know. I stopped going there a LONG time ago. I was told I know nothing about cars (by a mod), and all replies (no matter how civil and true, I don't bullshit about cars) were deleted.

I figured screw that, I got better things to do with my time. I'll help people who really want help, and appreciate help. [/b][/quote]
there were so many good posts on termpro....
well, basically dan battling it out with randy... lol
but if you left for a week, then came back to see what
was happening on that thread, you'd find it deleted.

THAT i do not agree with.... too much moderation only
serves to skew points towards views held by the mods...

 

there were so many good posts on termpro....
well, basically dan battling it out with randy... lol
but if you left for a week, then came back to see what
was happening on that thread, you'd find it deleted.

THAT i do not agree with.... too much moderation only
serves to skew points towards views held by the mods... [/b][/quote]
sometimes overmoderation is worse than no moderation

at least with no moderation you have the ability to not read the BS...but still have the ability of free speech....i don't think that just because a moderator doesn't agree with ones views or bias against a forum bandwagon or administrators/mods opinions that he/she should be able to delete threads...if they are off topic close them or move them....but don't edit ones comments or delete them unless they are a derrogitory personal attack(which have no place in the forums)

i for one do not post nor do i read in the general audio section of termpro...but i must admit...their amplifier sections is a very good tech read...and they do have a good competition forum also

 

Well, these are all typically the same type of people.

And I wouldn't argue that people who have no experience with a product shouldn't be making recommendations, pro or con....
I'd be more likely to suggest the contrary:
People who have experience with certain products might be more biased than others.
Of course, everyone needs their reference points, and the more experiences you have the more useful those reference points are... but they can be biasing.

If you actually understand what certain specifications, measurements, and limits mean, you can understand quite a bit about what the performance will be - often not just in terms of output quantity and frequency response, but also in terms of sound quality.

I also think this phenomenon has an inverse relationship with frequency..
That is, as frequency goes up, objective comparisons become less and less meaningful... the simply subjective "this sounds better than that" becomes more important.
How's that for a rule.

As regards those less experienced "bandwagon" jumpers, it's interesting to see their dynamics with each other. In reality, as the subjective goes, you're talking about a speaker operating in a frequency range where humans generally can't even hear up to 10% distortion in the signal... a great many subs in flattering enclosures would largely sound the same (say.. with proper EQ applied to bring all their frequency response curves in-line with each other), when kept to a reasonable output level.

So what factors make one sub stand out from another?

Why don't you try putting the pressure on someone the next time you suspect they are blindly recommending a product? Ask them to substantiate what they are saying, why they would recommend one particular product over another.
Would you trust someone who said something like "Well, I've heard the one sub, and I've heard the other sub, and based on that, I can tell you that the one sub is better."

There are some REAL objective things that make one woofer stand out over another, it's not all black magic.

 

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i agree with you fully...i am limited in the tech department...i try to keep up and learn new things everyday...so i must rely on my real world experience

there are very tech savy individuals such as yourself...who can give advice based on information from a product

it is the people that have '0' experience and wouldn't know the difference between TS parameters and a amplifier birthsheet that state their opinions as fact :blink:

i do try to point that out when possible...one of the reason of the "own
Ed - show your pics thread"

 

Chris, I am feeling where you are comming from bud. I don't bother with it any more. I am not surprised as to who was involved in the post that pissed you off either. I am a bit surprised at K, as I have always had a pretty good amount of respect for him, but that was really not cool. I guess he jumped on the ED bandwagon and became a croonie just like the rest of them. Not a good way for a company to be represented (being that Derek is one of Ben's best friends, and the guys bragging on their product all behave similarly).

The funny thing is, that all the guys who care about this hobby and understand it are gone. They are not going to hang at CAF for that BS. Leave those guys to their overrated, "flavor of the month" crap, pawned off by underinformed, immature kids. There were some smart kids there (and I mean young smart kids, like Jeff for example) who displayed far greater maturity and understanding of the products they spoke of, but they are gone. Sadly, the place I used to call home has become a hole.

It is sad, as that is where I started on the forums, and got to know some good people. But they are all gone, and the few that I care about are right here, and on Marshal's forum.

Leave the children to CAF, the grown ups will hang out here. [/b][/quote]
Waring 1 -- Do not post moronic pictures. ~`Michael~~


Sandt38,

While you're at it, why don't you complain about something else? Are you gonna change your name to Nancy and start wearing dresses? If you have such a huge problem with CAF that you felt the need to ramble on about it incoherently, you have a big problem. It is the internet, BIG FVCKING DEAL!! There are other communication mediums that you can entertain. What about that infamous post of yours on SI.N about you calling out the problem with the E15A? You were pretty much wanting a giant suck off because of your proclaimed wisdom that was through and through a bunch of jibberish to make yourself sound smart!! I also believe you have tried this with Warbleed, who pretty much handed your nuts right to you.

Yes, there is a lot of tom-foolery at CAF. Also, there is a great deal of valuable information over there. We have a huge number of members, and I agree with Geolemon, when there is a big debate over something technical, etc...the true audio enthusiasts show up

 

don't read it
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Well I tend to read my own threads...and when people shit all over it, its kind of hard to miss.

What does don't read it have to do with maturity level? That can be seen in almost any thread including some of the best!

What does don't read it have to do with the fact that there are no active mods??

Its hard not to read the childish post because they are mixed in with almost any thread, like your posts to this thread.

What does don't read it have to do with the ED bandwagon? Its impossible to miss because people will say hows this sub, and of course some one will say the ED is by far a much better driver.

Or if your post was telling me to just to stop reading CAF in generally...Well your a little later there, I all ready I have I was just stating my reasons as to why! So get a clue and don't bring your useless crap here!

And to the others,

I just got kind of tired of the useless battles between brands and stupid things like that. Really, what is the point of defending the brand I used to some one else? IMO there is no reason, who cars if some one out there thinks there is something better (even though they have never used it) who cars what they say when I have done more than my share of research and have come to the conclusion that this is truely the best for me. Now if there is a good post about two different brands that provides good points to both and some infomation regarding them, then I'm more than happy to provide my input there and read it, but when people make attacks for no reason and with out proof, it just turns me away.

Oh and bowers no body wants to see your ugly ass baby pictures!

 

i agree with you fully...i am limited in the tech department...i try to keep up and learn new things everyday...so i must rely on my real world experience

there are very tech savy individuals such as yourself...who can give advice based on information from a product

it is the people that have '0' experience and wouldn't know the difference between TS parameters and a amplifier birthsheet that state their opinions as fact :blink:

i do try to point that out when possible...one of the reason of the "own
Ed - show your pics thread" [/b][/quote]
I personally liked that thread about ED pics... So few people posted there.
Though I didn't post, I've heard a ED 10k and 12k installed

They are nice, but that's beside the point. The point is most people recommend them, but haven't even SEEN them. :jawdrop:


It's actually quite annoying, which is what is wrong with CAF. A lack of real experience.

 

Here's an Idea for you. Why don't you go somewhere where people actually give a shit what you have to say?

Since CAF is God, and Josh is the second coming of christ, why don't you go where they are? I see you still have not added a single worthwhile bit of information to the forum. You behave as you have since I started going to CAF (Oh yeah, It is really hard to figure out who you are ). You ruin it for good peole like Chris, and many of the people who have left CAF. Both your's and Dereks maturity level sit right about where my 5 year old son's was... 4 years ago.

You seem to miss the fact that I was responding to someone else's post about why they left CAF. I simply added my thought to it. I don't ramble on about CAF, cause frankly I don't CARE about it. It is the internet after all (as you so adeptly pointed out). Besides, I don't really find it nessicary to go places and hunt people down, and attempt to demean them no matter how frequently I get ejected from the same site. I mean, what kind of a life do you have? Good lord, I know I don't personally care enough about the internet to behave the way you do, and you accuse me of being overzealous?!?!?! You are so hypocritical and immature it is beyond laughable. GET A LIFE!!!

As far as the 15A issues, well, frankly my dear anonomous friend, I am right. The obvious issues (based in scientific fact) however have been overshadowed by their uncanny catestrophic failure issues!!! The bottom line is simple physics and previous attempts at the design displayed flaws, and I simply pointed out concerns. Funny how my concerns were so overshadowed by the ED Croonies (Ironically) shitting all over that thread when other esteemed designers and knowledgeable members came forth and backed my concerns.

I still have yet to see Warbleed "hand my nuts to me". He is a smart dude, of course, but at no point did he ever deliver any solid, fact based, scientifically backed information backing his point. The conical design is simply stronger, and less suceptable to cone breakup then a flat piston driver. With the smaller drivers there is less air resistance and failure is less likely. However, add the HUGE 15 piston and consider the possible scenarios, and you will see the issues inherant in the design. While I never considered the joint failures, I found the "perfect design and construction" so highly touted by the insiders rather amusing when these failures occured. While they are not beyond acceptable failure rates, a weakness in this perfect design was displayed.

Anyways, I am tired of the ED 15A debate. Why do you find it so important to bring it up? Let it die. Frankly, I am totally pleased with my gear, and presentation and now my focus in my vehicle is back to performance. Just leave the 15A debate alon. I know I will be happy if it is dead, and so will alot of other people. This same old repetitious BS is boring, just like you

No nut's being handed to anyone, except you own, huh Jordie?

By the way, I am frankly not interested in pics of your lover, so kindly keep them on your own Hard drive, OK Pee Wee?

 

I don't think I'm twisting your words, Jordan, in paraphrasing this...

This is actually a great way to put it, I think. B)

There's definitely a lot of "little kid" behavior on CAF, sure.
But there's also a lot of knowledge still, I think.
The foundation has more concrete in it than it does jello. B)

Everyone has their reasons for visiting certain forums over certain other forums.. that should be respected too.
They all have their pros and cons, as was discussed earlier.. just depends on what priority you place on what.
I think both this forum and CAF are great places, for different reasons.

Can't we all just be friends? :bag:

 

Here's an Idea for you. Why don't you go somewhere where people actually give a shit what you have to say?

Since CAF is God, and Josh is the second coming of christ, why don't you go where they are? I see you still have not added a single worthwhile bit of information to the forum. You behave as you have since I started going to CAF (Oh yeah, It is really hard to figure out who you are ). You ruin it for good peole like Chris, and many of the people who have left CAF. Both your's and Dereks maturity level sit right about where my 5 year old son's was... 4 years ago.

You seem to miss the fact that I was responding to someone else's post about why they left CAF. I simply added my thought to it. I don't ramble on about CAF, cause frankly I don't CARE about it. It is the internet after all (as you so adeptly pointed out). Besides, I don't really find it nessicary to go places and hunt people down, and attempt to demean them no matter how frequently I get ejected from the same site. I mean, what kind of a life do you have? Good lord, I know I don't personally care enough about the internet to behave the way you do, and you accuse me of being overzealous?!?!?! You are so hypocritical and immature it is beyond laughable. GET A LIFE!!!

As far as the 15A issues, well, frankly my dear anonomous friend, I am right. The obvious issues (based in scientific fact) however have been overshadowed by their uncanny catestrophic failure issues!!! The bottom line is simple physics and previous attempts at the design displayed flaws, and I simply pointed out concerns. Funny how my concerns were so overshadowed by the ED Croonies (Ironically) shitting all over that thread when other esteemed designers and knowledgeable members came forth and backed my concerns.

I still have yet to see Warbleed "hand my nuts to me". He is a smart dude, of course, but at no point did he ever deliver any solid, fact based, scientifically backed information backing his point. The conical design is simply stronger, and less suceptable to cone breakup then a flat piston driver. With the smaller drivers there is less air resistance and failure is less likely. However, add the HUGE 15 piston and consider the possible scenarios, and you will see the issues inherant in the design. While I never considered the joint failures, I found the "perfect design and construction" so highly touted by the insiders rather amusing when these failures occured. While they are not beyond acceptable failure rates, a weakness in this perfect design was displayed.

Anyways, I am tired of the ED 15A debate. Why do you find it so important to bring it up? Let it die. Frankly, I am totally pleased with my gear, and presentation and now my focus in my vehicle is back to performance. Just leave the 15A debate alon. I know I will be happy if it is dead, and so will alot of other people. This same old repetitious BS is boring, just like you

No nut's being handed to anyone, except you own, huh Jordie?

By the way, I am frankly not interested in pics of your lover, so kindly keep them on your own Hard drive, OK Pee Wee? [/b][/quote]
Ok tons of fun....actually, I visit all the major car audio forums on the Internet....SI.N, ECA, CAF, Termpro, SoundDomain and yes, even this small market share of the community, Car Audio Talk. I have been in this hobby for a long time and unlike many others amongst the boards, I have actual experience with a great deal of products. So, unfortunately for you, Sethy boy, I'm not hunting anyone down.

What were you saying about getting a life? First of all, I go to school full time plus work 40+ hours a week; I have a life. You have kids, wife, and a job and you have the amazing ability to be on the Internet a great deal of time. YOU GET A LIFE!

I don't give a damn what post you were responding to, you cried your eyes to CAF about how downhill it is going. You probably went through a box of tissues after you got done babbling about CAF and the loss of its forum members. BOO FVCKING HOO SETHY!!!! Why don't you cry yourself to sleep? Also, if you didn't care about it, why did you respond with that huge a$$ reply?

How many ED 15 A drivers have failed because of the issue you "proclaimed" would happen? How many? Can you provide me accurate statistics behind your wild, baseless accusations? Just reading your posts, you claim you aren't anti-eD, when it is so obvious that you are. Should we bring back your infamous post over at SI.N about how everyone should suck you off? STFU already!

And about being boring, I definitely don't fit this criteria. Yes, I joke around a lot on Car Audio Forum. Yes, I was joking around with Hazard269 a little bit. Big Deal.

I've been on that forum for almost 5 years and I have helped many people. I don't go around slandering other products, and, I only recommend products that I have had the opportunity to thoroughly audition/install.

Instead of spending so much time on the Internet, maybe you should entertain other options...

 

Bowers805, First off, Respect the Mods here, I don't care who you think you are, how much "knowledge" you have, or how many forums your visit, In my house, YES MY HOUSE, you respect my Mods, While you may not agree with some of what he post (hell I don't either) he did not disrespect you, other than telling you to leave if you don't like it here, but that is his job soo..)

You have 3 Options

1> Learn Respect
2> Leave
3. Be Banned

The Choice is yours, See that little Meter under you name, up to 80% now, As Soon as it hit 100% it is a suspension of no less than 30 days.... FYI