New Topic Since People Can Not Stay On Topic

Well I didn't comment on the BL curve above. But to answer your question, I'm not sure if I have seen one or not. It depends on which TC motor they use. But what does it matter? It has a standard SGLC motor topology, which provides a parabolic BL curve. Add to it that Dan Wiggins has assured me that the A has a parabolic curve, and I think I have enough conclusive evidence to know what it looks like. If it helps, this is a DUMAX report of a standard SGLC motor built by TC Sounds. In fact, it may be the same motor.

 

Well that's your own subjective opinion. But many others who have heard both have told me that the Brahma sounds a little better due to the lower distortion.

Please understand that I think the ED A is a very nice subwoofer. I just feel it is slightly below the Brahma in performance, but also in price.

Here's a direct quote of what Warbleed once said:

 

If what's on the disc is flat, then the sound you hear should be flat. That is SQ.

I think people don't like flat frequency response because it sounds like reality. They like a little more bass, or some boosted highs. One reason is because it is adding in what they may have lost in hearing over the years. Other reasons are because it can either sound more exciting, or mask small imperfections in the system. Now for their system if they add those small changes, that is fine. But it is not SQ. It is not real, but surreal.

 

I think you may have misunderstood what was meant by "flat". It means that the system will show flat on an RTA if pink noise was played through the system. That means that if the source material has a sine wave at 50 Hz at a certain output level, and another sine wave at 2 kHz at another output level, the system will produce those frequencies with the proper output levels.

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.

 

yes, but you quoting warbleed stating that sound quality is flat, faithful reproduction all the time isn't accurate...

like i said---in the studio recording room is where it all depends----if the album records flat---then yes, we can agree with warbleed, if not--then we don't... [/b][/quote]
Amen to that. It gets tired with people taking the opinions and statements of others and immediately calling them fact.

 

I think you are misunderstanding what Steven is saying. What he is getting at is that faithful reproduction by a speaker means no peaks or valleys if a sine sweep were run through it. If it were truely "flat" in this regaurd, it would also reproduce the 2-3DB dips you mentioned before as a 2-3 DB dip .

Let's say that the 2-3 DB dip occurs at the exact spot where a speaker has a natural 2-3 Db dip... Now all the sudden, that dip in the recording is multiplied by the dip in the speakers rolloff. Now we have a 6Db dip.

Not very desireable, I'm sure you can see.

I understand what you are saying, as well as what Steven is saying. I'm just trying to get you both on the same page .

 

Mind if I ask what your problem is today? You seem to be jumping all over everyone today for no reason.

Settle down, we are all friends here, even if we have differing opinions .

 

Mind if I ask what your problem is today? You seem to be jumping all over everyone today for no reason.

Settle down, we are all friends here, even if we have differing opinions . [/b][/quote]
It's not just this one thread, Seth. Stephen's been guilty of doing this for quite some time, and I'm probably the 100th person to have said something.

:rifle:

 

It's not just this one thread, Seth. Stephen's been guilty of doing this for quite some time, and I'm probably the 100th person to have said something.

:rifle: [/b][/quote]
You really need to explain yourself on this one. I take opinions and statements of others and call them facts? Well the one you point to above was actually Warbleed agreeing with ME on something I said. It was a response to one of my posts. I quoted it to show that other very intelligent and respected people in the comunity agree with me. If you don't believe me, then here is the full quote:

Now as for "doing this from time to time", I must guess that you are talking about my discussions with Dan Wiggins. Yes I have learned a great deal from him. And yes I agree with everything he says. But consider the source. He has a great deal of knowledge and experience. Any time he has been involved in an argument to back up his ideas, he has always proven himself right. So yes, when he says something, I tend to believe him over others. Is that wrong? No. But I don't understand why you, and others have a beef with me over this.

Now if you are talking about something else, please explain.

 

It's not just this one thread, Seth. Stephen's been guilty of doing this for quite some time, and I'm probably the 100th person to have said something.

:rifle: [/b][/quote]
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. And so is Steven.

For both you and Steven, I ask you guys to chill out a bit. I like you both and I don't want to see this get into a blow out arguement. :aurgue:

Let's get back to having some fun, shall we? :love:

 

I have been doing my best to stay very polite in my responses. I don't like to have people dislike me, especially over something as stupid as an opinion on car audio. But I was somewhat annoyed by his broad accusation. Now while I am not taking any of this personally and don't hate any of you guys, I would like to know where he gets this idea. Maybe I am guilty of this. I don't know. But from my point of view right now, I am not. But obviously there is a problem here, and I want to see if it is mine, or his. That's the only way the problem can go away. :detective:

 

so the question is....

at moderate output levels, does the sound of the 12A and the B12
differ by that much BECAUSE of the BL curve?

 

I'm waiting on that answer too man. Does that low distortion really make it any better than any of the woofers in question at moderate levels?

 

I'm waiting on that answer too man. Does that low distortion really make it any better than any of the woofers in question at moderate levels? [/b][/quote]
Answered in the other thread.

 

Answered in the other thread. [/b][/quote]
Indeed, thanks