Johan Sirhan... I am calling you out!!!

Nope, can't find it...it's winslow's car on ECA, not mic10is though.

If you want to see a pretty nice install with ID products, check out mic's car though: http://www.sounddomain.com/id/imagedynteg

 

The Onyx link didn't work. :blowup:

 

try this

http://www.onyxmobileaudio.com/

 

Lets say you had $1500 to spend. What would you put in this car?

 

I'm biased...but...

I'd run Tru Tech amps.. 4.65 and a 2.100 would probably do it. Then i'd pick a DIY front stage consisting of LPG or Max Fidelity tweets with Vifa PL mids...something along those lines. Then, this would leave you with around $250 to spend on a sub, then another $350 to spend on a HU.

You should be able to pick up an IDMAX 10" for 250 and there are tons of choices for HU's around the $350 price range...the Alpine 9813 comes to mind as long as it's bought online.

I'll agree with Seth on the JBL 1200.1, stay away from it if possible.

 

What do you think Seth? Is that a winner?

 

He'll want to change the amps more than likely.

 

There's no doubt he can get the same power for less money, but i've honestly not heard any other amps like these. If you want, next time i'm home, we'll throw one of mine in your car (either the 2.100 or 4.65) and do a real a/b test. I may be imagining things, but they have a much clearer top end than anything i've ever heard.

We'll just agree to disagree on the HU preference. Johan, i had the same HU that Seth has now except mine was not the Premier model. The only differences between mine and his are the warranty and the stronger preouts on the Premier model. Granted, one of my gripes was weak preouts which could have been fixed with the Premier model. I didn't find many useful features on the deck aside from the HPF. I'm now using the Alpine 7894 model, and have been for over a year, which is a record for me . The weak preout problems have mainly been associated with the new 9815 model. The sub preouts were done differently than models in years past in that you didn't get the full 4V signal til you turned the sub volume all the way up to +15...some guys that switched from older model Alpines thought the preouts were a bit weaker, but in reality they were just setup differently. I haven't heard of any other issues with the preouts aside from the sub preouts on those decks, lemme know if you've heard otherwise seth.

With all that said, from a $$$ standpoint, Pioneer will probably be cheaper, and they do have a better look (even though i've grown to like the look of the Alpine ).

The IDQ's would be a good choice, especially for the money, but you'd probably have to build a pretty large box to get some more low end out of them. I didn't realize til i sold mine how much they lacked in low end...they're still the quickest sub i've heard though.

And yea, DIY comps will be a little more of a hassle, but you should be able to get a $500 sound out of about $200.

 

anyone know if pioneer has fixed their damn MP3 issues,

Last year they were still 4 year behind in there MP3 stuff, have the caught up yet, I have been been really following it too closly

 

Wassup fellas! Let my try my hand at this....

I dont want to make a big alpine vs pioneer fuss, but i will point out why i'd choose alpine when considering the 9813 that chris mentioned and the p740mp seth mentioned. To get the features of the alpine 9813 out of a pioneer, you'd have to step way above the pioneer 740mp, like maybe the 940. The 9813 comes 6 channel digital time correction, 5 band parametric eq, 6 position high and low pass digital crossover (24db/octave), 2 or 3 way electronic cross with adjustable slope, and also has a much faster mp3 playback. The issue with the 9813 subout is simple. Its control by increasing and decreasing the output voltage. Set at 0, the output voltage is low, no where near 4 volts. As it increases, the closer it gets to 4 volts which would be max subcontrol. I dont know if thats good or bad, but it works fine. Quality should be steller with either brand, but with a budget in mind, i'd take an alpine 9813, and seth, ignore my alpine bias.. :lol: We're talkin features for the dollar here...

Lets talk comps. Im gonna say JL XR650csi, and leave it at that. Nice price tag, and its a great sounding set. I wont suggest the MB Quart QSD's due to price tag.. hehe

For a sub amp, I'll agree with seth on Cadence. Not my fav, but they seem to be pretty solid amps, and they are power houses. I'll have a Cadence z9000 in my next setup hopefully. Chris's suggestion of the Tru Technology T4.65 is a good idea. I spent last weekend with that amp biamped on my quarts, and i was very impressed. Its a power house and as clean as a whistle. Has a clean uncolored high end, and a bad ass low end. Its a sweet amp. And those blue LED's are purty glowing through my vacant rear fill spots..

As far as a sub goes, its up in the air. Im gonna go with a Magnum d2 for my car because most of what i have heard tells that it has a good mixture of everything you'd love about all the super subs, but with a lot of punch. Sounds impossible, but im anxious to find out. But take your pick man. ED A, Magnum d2, brahma, IDMax, XXX, its all up to you. Hell, a couple Shiva's would do fine i'd say.

 

punchy or smooth bass??? I am not sure if I understand.
Also, I think I would like to stay away frrom anything DIY since my experience is minimal. I am not afraid to try to do something but not when it costs hundreds if I screw it up.

 

Ok, we'll nix the DIY idea.

As far as punchy to smooth... My take will be different than Seth's, but here's my take on the differences. Punchy bass is more accurate, but may not have as good of a low end as a smooth driver would. Smooth bass is not as accurate, or doesn't have the midbass-type impact that a punchy driver does, instead it will roll over the peaks in bass output where as a punchy sub would hit you in the chest more. I'd compare a smooth sounding driver to something along the lines of a home audio driver, a little easier on the ears, and not so much in your face.

 

haha just had to give you some hell, but yes, horns would be good, but with those huge doors, you coulda recommended 2 comp sets :lol:

and i didn't know that the 3 tumults was definite...hmmmm...ideas ideas

 

The Tumults aren't definite...i don't think <_<

 

Cort, the 940 will absolutely bury the Alpine in features. Look at the list. The 740 is more similar to the 9813, but it offer 2 less bands on the EQ, and no time correction. It does offer SEFQ, and variable Q factors to make up for it though...

Chris, you yourself said you never touched a bunch of the features on the Pioneer, so be honest here...

These guys love their Alpines like I love my Pioneer. But I personally felt the Pioneer was a better unit, with a better pricetag, and better looks. But it is all opinion (aside from the pricetag).

Both are good decks, but these Alpine Bitches :lol: show bias.

I think overall, for what Johan wants to accomplish, for the money he wants to spend, the 740 is a better choice.

I may sell him mine and step up to a 940 actually, if you are interested Johan...

Tumults, definate? Heck, the subs alone would equal his budget, so we can count them out... I was just dreaming B) [/b][/quote]
First of all, we didn't call you a bitch .

And you're right, i didn't touch alot of the features on the Pioneer, because it sounded better without me touching them...i did mess around with every one that i could find (which was all of em i believe) and none seemed to help my sound any. The only one i really used was the HPF and the low/mid/high control, i dunno what they call it. The rest made everything sound worse, it caused peaks or distortion.

The biggest difference between the decks is the time correction feature...and IMO it is HUGE. I'd spend an extra 100 bucks to get the DTC...but that's me.

Just remember we aren't talking about which deck has a longer list of features, as the 940 does have a pretty hefty one, but rather which deck has more usable features.

 

Is there an in between punchy and smooth? They both sound like what I want. I play bass so I like a lot of it and I listen for the definition in the notes but I need to feel it. I listen with my ears and my body.

 

Hey seth, just to void your claim of my bais toward alpine, i chose to list features and reasons why the deck is better. And what was your reason for suggesting the pioneer over the alpine? price right? well, $285 all day on ebay for the 9813. Now, i wont deny i may be a bit biased to the alpine decks, but when i got reasons to back my claims, its a different issue. We can fuss for days about who's got better quality, and its definately not gonna amount to much, but as far as usable features go, you cant compare the 2. Before i posted, i looked down the list of features of both decks, and no way the pioneer is even close. Along with the 2 extra bands of parametric eqing, you forgot to mention that the crossover on the alpine is about good few steps above that of the 740. Has a deeper slope (24db across the board while the pioneer is 12db HPF and 18db LPF), and that slope is adjustable. and again, better mp3 playback. we all know that deck is about the slowest. My opinion isn't just based on my "bias" toward alpine, but features and price. Buck for buck, 9813 is the better deck. And also, for the price, i'd expect the 940 to be better, but the 740 is a couple years behind the 9813. Its cool seth, nobody is dissing your deck fella, ease up a bit.. hehe.. I respect pioneer, but this deck is just better. Lets not call names either, i'd hate to give you a taste of my nike's! :ranting: