New Set Up

Well my thinking is....

If your going to buy a really nice subs that can handle a lot of power...then give it a lot of power...I say get at least one of those amps per sub if not more...but maybe I'm just a power whore

Also as far as front speakers go...don't 'skimp' out there...you went balls out on subs so treat them right and pair them up with a great set of speakers...

 

Chris, the B15s will actually do quite well with 1000 between them. I had my 12 with 425, and it did quite well.

The 10W7 does very well underpowered as well (Chris, Blkx, has 1 in his Xterra seeing 400... very dominant actually).

I think the greatest falicy in CA today is the thought that these super woofers need massive power to really move. I'm like you though, if it can handle it, I will provide it :lol: .

Jstuman,

All Adire. Why not? Kodas really kick ass and do well with my install. My favorite comp set bar none. My car will not change for a long time, aside for appearances every now and again, I am so pleased. Go to my house for packages for either the duals or a single and a front stage.

 

I agree, the one amp is probably enough.

Seth, when you heard my car a week or two ago i actually had 500w+ on the w7. It was set up to be dominant at the time, which is why it was a little overbearing (sub volume was much higher than normal).

I'd personally go the DIY route with the components if you're worried about the cash. For about $200 you can get a pretty damn nice setup.

 

I would invest most of your money into your front stage. I really like the sound of Dynaudio Speaker Systems. I would buy an extremely big amplifier, (200 x 2 @ 4 ohm stereo) and concentrate on having a ridicoulously solid installation. Another option you have is to go the DIY Route, and hey, make no mistake about it, the Revelator is hard to beat. For subwoofer systems, sky is the limit, and don't limit yourself to all Adire Audio gear. The Elemental Designs 15A has more displacement than the Brahma 15 and right now is less expensive. Stephen Ponte designed the subwoofer, and it sounds absolutely fantastic.

 

Yea thats just the way I look at it. I know these woofers don't NEED the power, but hey im all about seeing what they are made of . Also, I know it doesn't take a lot of power to get things going and souindging great...its just that everyone these days are on massive power scales....and I guess I have kind of fallen in to that whole thing too... I just rember back when things were running off of 600 watts and thinkin wow thats a lot and now its like 5 times as much of that seems to be fairly common these days.

 

But what about output? It just seems as if the A were tuned more on the SQ side of things and its seems the Brahma can hang with the SQ of the A, yet beat it as far as output goes....

Or am I just wrong...

 

The 15A has more Vd than the Brahma 15, and is less expensive. It also sounds amazing.

 

You keep saying it sounds amazing, do you work for ED? As far as I know the 15A hasn't been heard by anyone but beta testers or employees of ED.

By all accounts of the 2 drivers, aside from 1 report, the B12 does have somewhat better SQ. As far as SPL, I cannot say, and I have not heard an A yet, so my input is all second hand.

 

You keep saying it sounds amazing, do you work for ED? As far as I know the 15A hasn't been heard by anyone but beta testers or employees of ED.

By all accounts of the 2 drivers, aside from 1 report, the B12 does have somewhat better SQ. As far as SPL, I cannot say, and I have not heard an A yet, so my input is all second hand. [/b][/quote]
I've auditioned the E8A and the E12A. I would figure, considering the engineer by the subwoofer, that the 15 would sound just as good. I am not an employee of ED.

Sound Quality is totally subjective. However, in another way, it isn't.

"If it sounds good and measured bad, you measured the wrong thing." - Paul Klipsch

 

You keep saying it sounds amazing, do you work for ED? As far as I know the 15A hasn't been heard by anyone but beta testers or employees of ED.

By all accounts of the 2 drivers, aside from 1 report, the B12 does have somewhat better SQ. [/b][/quote]
Where are these reports? Who were these reports done by? How long was the evaluation of each speaker?

 

Justin W, and rthompson specifically (both have my greatest respects with regaurds to equipment selection and knowledge) and about 3 other stragglers. Both JW and RT stated such on both CAF and SIN.

The 1 who felt the A was better was Josh99TA, on SIN.

Generalised assumptions like this are not always a very good idea. It is not really true when you say something sounds amazing when you have never heard it. Just because a company does a great job somewhere else, doesn't mean it is for ever and for always going to be the be all end all (PPI piston cones were great 12 inchers, but the 15s buzzed and rattled like crazy). I will always try to state I haven't heard the drivers so as to provide an honest insight as to my take on the drivers (it certainly wouldn't be fair of me to say the Brahma 12 sounds better than the E12A when I have never heard the E12A now wouldn't it?).

Now, in all reports, the mention was in "somewhat better" SQ, not like the A was totally outclassed. From what I have heard the A does deserve considerable praise, but it is not a Brahma.

Agreed. SQ is in the ear of the beholder. I know quite a few who like the W7 better than the Brahma, but I don't. I feel the W7 just displays more presance than I like, it just isn't as transparent. Make no bones about it, the W7 is an astounding driver, but the B12 "sounds good" to me

 

It is a pretty safe assumption with Elemental Designs and Stephen Ponte. So yes, in my opinion, it is pretty safe to assume. All of the ED woofers, excluding the SP, have done extremely well.

Who are the other 3 "stragglers?"

 

With due respect, you went back on your previous statement of never actually hearing a a driver and stating an opinion on it. Assuming you were talking about my w7, you haven't heard it when it was set up to be transparent......When you heard my 10w7 it was set up to dominate the music, to present authority, not to blend in with the music.

 

Chris, yours isn't the only one I have heard .

and you know what assumeing does :lol:

Don't be so defensive man. I like the driver, it is cool and sounds damn good. I just like the Brahma a bit better.

 

haha, i'm not being defensive, if that's what you think then that's fine. To my knowledge the only one you'd heard before mine was in a shop...which is a lil different. My apologies .

 

Its really amazing to see how amazing people think the 15A is after not hearing it.. I learned in a recent conversation that Ben Milne himself finds that amusing. We had a pretty good laugh about it. I find it even more amazing considering that when modeled up in Winisd beta or pro, the damn thing looks identical to the magnum d2 in every catagory other than spl. Does that say they are the same woofer? hell no! does that say either of them are great woofers? Hell no! Until a couple 15A's land on some door steps, people need to keep the assumptions to themselves. Just because the 8A and 12A sound amazing, doesn't say anything about the 15A. I found the 10w7 and 13w7 to be a bit more impressive than the 12w7. Anywho, till you hear it, your opinions of the woofer have no meritt.. But i say this all with all due respect..

 

I will say the Cadence/Brahma combo works quite well.