Need help!

Discussion in 'General Car Audio Discussions' started by Dase, May 25, 2010.

  1. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Hows it goen everyone,

    I'm currently looking to buy the following to put into my 2004 Subaru Liberty 3.0L;

    1x Rockford Fosgate T212D2 Power Series 12" 2000w, 1000w RMS Sub http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?item_id=91849&locale=en_us
    1x Kicker 10ZX1000.1 2000w, 1000w RMS Amp ZX http://www.kicker.com/zx_amplifiers
    1x Soundstream SC-20CA 20-Farad Hybrid Digital Capacitor (6th capacitor down) http://www.soundstream.com/AudioProducts/cap/capacitors.htm

    My questions are, is this a good amplifier for that subwoofer? If so, is that a good capacitor for the setup? (Is a capacitor needed? The guy
    at the local audio store said it is). And, can someone recommend the best brand wires to use? I haven't been around the car stereo scene since
    I put 2 15" MTX subs in my '05 H2 Hummer when I got it. My budget is around $1500AUD delivered (can go a little bit higher) and I already have
    the box for the setup. Is there anything else I would need? Cheers in advance for any help you can give!

    Dase
     
  2. eviling

    eviling Full Member

    you dont need that 20 farad cap! bloody hell, you have any idea how much power that is? the arc of a cap that large could blow off a finger. you're looking more in the range of 2 fared, maybe 2.4-3 if you want some room. I have this in my system
    http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_8248_Absolute+KITCAP2507.html 2.4 fared, it's nice. and comes with tons of extras to help save ya a buck on instalation. I really like mine, i broke off the plastic plate that covrs the bottom but thats because i have **** floating around in my trunk.


    the other stuff...sure sounds good, i'd use a rocker fosgate amp with a RF sub at least, especily if your spending the money, thats a nice sub. good power, and good SQ, and it'll hit nice, but with that kicker amp you wont get exactly what it can do out of it. not to mention, you'd never be able to wire a dual 2 ohm sub down to 2 ohms, you'd need a dual 4 ohm sub, wired in parallel, you want this amp.
    http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_9850_Rockford+Fosgate+Punch+P1000-1bd.html

    it'll be perfect for your sub, and it's very under rated, your looking around 1100 watts rms, and with that sub wired in parallel, you're set down to a 1 ohm load. just make sure your installer knows you want it wired for a 1 ohm load. make sure you check it with a DMM once they do the install, to make sure they aren't stupid. some installers are pretty dumb.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2010
  3. DatDude08

    DatDude08 Full Member

    No you do NOT need a cap. If your lights are dimming you need either another battery or high output alternator, or both. Using a capacitor is like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Though I'm going to say you may not have any problem at all, you aren't running a TON of power but you need to run the big 3 with 0 gauge to help with power flow and charge then determine how the electrical is holding up. For wiring knukonceptz is great wire at a great price.
     
  4. eviling

    eviling Full Member

    nah, caps are very usefull in a punchy system, even at 1000 watts, thats allota power being pulled out of the system, thought your right idealy a new batery\alt and or both is always properly, a cap can very much help keep up, worked in my case, i have over 1500 watts in my car with only 75 amps being pushed, with 1 single battery, and that cap, and it keeps up fine, a major thing a cap does it help keep voltages stable while on punchy music, or even constant draw for that matter, because whats happening when your lights dimming is your loosing voltage, meaning your amps are also switching internaly to the power lose, adding a cap will allow it to remain more stable. i can stay at 13 volts out of the 14.4 from the system with my week alt with the cap i recommended.

    but don't go big with the cap thinking it means more room. its not an alt or a battery, you're just capable of adding more, but it makes no difference to the efficiancy if your only drawin 1200-2400 watts.
     
  5. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Ok quick update.

    I have decided against my first setup and now am buying the following;

    1x RE Audio XXX 12"
    1x Sundown Audio SAZ-2000D
    1x KnuKonceptz Kolossus Flex 0 Gauge Power Amp Kit

    Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to find the SAZ-2000D?
    Does anyone think I will need a H/O alternator or a 2nd battery to run the
    system? I've been told to stay away from capacitors in general..
     
  6. DatDude08

    DatDude08 Full Member

    Seems you are headed in a good direction. Just make sure you order some extra 0 gauge to run the Big 3. As far as H/O Alt, yeah you probably will. Do you know the output of the stock alternator?

    Also, what voice coil configuration are you going for in the XXX?
     
  7. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Yea, a much better direction than I was headed in considering the RF sub was made in '04 haha.. But now I find out the SAZ-2000D is discontinued :mad: So I now need to find a different amp with similar specs, any ideas? Well the Kollosus kit comes with some extra 0 gauge, will that be enough? http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KFX-PK0

    Nah I don't know the output of the stocky, I'll find that out after lunch.. The voice coil is a 3” 4-layer Aluminium Voice Coil. Im getting it cheap too, around 800AUD delivered to my door here in QLD Aus from NY USA!
     
  8. DatDude08

    DatDude08 Full Member

    As for where to find a SAZ-2000D, I guess you'll just have to be looking out for one on the SSA forum. An alternative, and a great amp itself, would be the AudioQue AQ2200D
     
  9. eviling

    eviling Full Member

    heh, i think you're getting to into it, you don't really need to go that big, but if you insist, than that stuff should work for ya, i'd think you'll be happy with that rocker fosgate 1000 rms i showed you. if you want the 2000-2500 watts rms, i'd go with http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17683_Rockford+Fosgate+Power+T2500-1BD+-T25001bd-.html and get 2 or 3 of those subs you linked in your first post. and you'll be blown away..quite physically. :p
     
  10. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Ok I'm only gonna try posting on this forum one more time because everytime
    I hit submit reply it goes back to the thread but doesnt post my post... :mad:

    The company that I was getting the XXX through said they wont have stock
    for atleast a couple months so that put me back at square one :confused:

    I think I have decided to go for the Rockford Fosgate T2D*15 depending on if
    I want the 2 or 4ohm, opinions? Unless I can get better for my money?? Also what would be the best amp to run the
    T2D*15? Only ones that I can buy new though...
     
  11. eviling

    eviling Full Member

    i dont know the specs of the 15" version of the T212D2, if i were you, i'd stick with that T212D2 12" and get that 1000 watt amp i recomended. you'll be very happy with it, you're getting to into it, you need to mentain sanity and practacality when building a system. you're not doing a show car, nore do you need to be top dog in town. you just need to be happy and content as you drive down the road with the sound of your system ;)
     
  12. Dase

    Dase Full Member

  13. eviling

    eviling Full Member

    I'd go with the 1000d or the 1200D, you're not going to find a decent single 15 that'll run 1800 watts rms with out a large buck. so, i'd personly go with the saz-1000D. but realy thats all up to you, you're asking us to pick dolors to dolors, at this point your picking good gear, we realy can't tell you exactly what to get with out telling you what we want. you need to figuire it out on your own, but still again.. that rocker fosgate sub you picked with that 1000 watt amp, and you'd be dandy. i'm very stuck on that for you because genraly your first picks are the ones you end up coming back to in the end. :p other than that, good luck!
     
  14. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Ok so after all my research I've ended up with a Sundown SAE-1200D V2, Knukonceptz Kolossus Fleks 0 Gauge Power Amp Kit and still hunting down a Rocky Fosgate T2D212.. Quick question though, will I get dimming and need a capacitor? Also are there any decent looking boxes that I can buy that suit this setup?

    UPDATE: I can get a Rockford Fosgate RFC10HB digital capacitor 10 Farad for a good price if that suits my setup?!
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2010
  15. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    i would buy a second battery instead it will supply your amp with the amperage needed for heavy bass notes; have you done the big 3 yet?
     
  16. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Don't you think a second battery is a little overkill for a setup like this? No I haven't done the big 3, but only because I won't be installing it all myself.
     
  17. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    I 100% agree with Pedro. If your gunna spend some serious money, please do it right. That RF cap appears to be very expensive. Money would be better spent on an additional battery and the Big 3 upgrade, actually, doing that would most likely be less expensive and give you far better results than a cap.

    As for a premade enclosure, I have no idea who makes a good one, i suggest to you sir that you find a VERY reputable shop and have it built. An educated installer can build a proper enclosure to best suit your needs!
     
  18. Dase

    Dase Full Member

    Ok cool, any advice on what the best battery would be for me? Also, if I ask the guy that is installing it all to do the Big 3 upgrade do you think he'll know what I'm talking about? Because I hadn't heard of it here in Australia before the forums.. The wiring kit I got comes with some extra wiring, will they just use that or?

    Yea thats my plans but I was just seeing if there were any pre-made ones out there, saves cash and time ya know..
     
  19. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    I understand Dase..

    As for a battery, heres what I will tell you...Others may disagree, but I have done this a "few" times... Read this

    http://www.caraudiotalk.com/audio-forum/showthread.php?t=3987


    Now...read this

    http://www.caraudiotalk.com/audio-forum/showthread.php?t=4028

    If done as it reads, any quality standerd lead acid battery will do a good job....you DONT need a" optima spiral dry cell never needs water and can fly in fighter jets battery".....a standerd automotive battery will do a fine job. If ya wanna pay extra for a "high end" battery...go for it but it aint needed!
     
  20. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    hell i just installed a 3rd battery in my truck, and i only have 900 watts to my sub and 100 watts to my mids.