Need help deciding on a system for a Chevy Suburban

Discussion in 'General Car Audio Discussions' started by wvucollins, Nov 14, 2006.

  1. wvucollins

    wvucollins Full Member

    Ok...

    I have a 1987 Chevy suburban that I have completely redone everything but my audio system.

    I have a budget of about $1000

    I listen to mostly rap/hip hop and want the music as loud and as much bass as possible for my budget.

    Space is not an issue because we all know a Chevy Suburban is as big as a tank.

    My dash takes 3.5" speakers.
    There are no kick panel speakers or speakers in the doors..

    The rear takes 4x10's but I can modify the area and put whatever necessary size speaker in there that I need.

    I have a Panasonic head unit that has rear & sub preamp outputs.

    I was considering Infinity Kappas

    Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Isaiah
     
  2. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    So, you gunna install this yourself????

    As far as the boom boom end of it goes, there are ALOT of options, and going to be ALOT opinions on this......First, lets look at what it takes to make bass, The movement of air, so you want to move as much air as possible to get the most bass...with that said, and the room you have, might I suggestsomething along the lines of 2) 15 inchers, or even 2) 18 inchers... Or even 4) 12 inchers.....Any of those combinations in a vented box WILL rattle your head, along with everyone else within an 1/8 of a mile... a simple vented box with the subs firing up is a VERY effective way to get bass in that thing, trust me, i have done quite of few of those trucks for the brothers!

    what brand? well, that depends on how you wanna spread that thousand bucks around.

    Say.....400 bucks for an amp
    100 bucks in wireing
    300 bucks in subs
    100 bucks for front speakers
    and another 100 bucks for a highs amp

    Build the box yourself and save some money there

    As far as brands go, i am sure some of theother guys will chime in here a little later and give you some insight on that subject
     
  3. DaveDSMer

    DaveDSMer Full Member

    I built my system for about 1000 bucks but i was going for sound quality over loudness. So, what I would do since you just really want to bass out is spend more of the budget on the subs and amp.

    Front: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-val2vsGH2mS/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=400&I=065S35

    Rear: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-val2vsGH2mS/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=51600&I=130TSA4103

    Subs: [ON SALE buy 1 get 1 free] (buy 4) http://www.crutchfield.com/S-val2vsGH2mS/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=520&I=2065C12VR2

    Amp: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6336.html

    Build yourself a box for the subs and wire it all up.. done.
     
  4. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

  5. DaveDSMer

    DaveDSMer Full Member

    if you got 2 of those 15's one of those kenwood amps would work
     
  6. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Um...those are dual 2's

    I'd wire each sub to an amp at 1 ohm....would have hella dynamic range and the amps wouldn't be getting ran hard at all
     
  7. wvucollins

    wvucollins Full Member

    Will my alternator be up to the job or will running two of these amps suck too much juice from my battery?

    If so... what is the easiest/cheapest way to restore more juice to my suburban if needed?

    I always get confused over the ohm's... what is the difference of running the speakers at 2 ohm or 1 ohm and how does that affect the bass?

    Thanks for all of your help, im pretty much a newb at this

    Thanks,

    Isaiah
     
  8. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Well, as far as the charging system keeping up.......Probably not, if 2 of those kenwoods are in your truck, then i would expect to see a continuous current draw of around 70-80 amps with peaks beyond that while listening to the systeem with "hard and heavy" bass....I am sure your alternator is not good for much more than 100 amps, so with the amperage draw from the amps,and the lights, engine, etc......I doubt your battery would stay charged very well....... If it was just cranked for a few minutes at a time then backed off for a while, you would be OK.....Allows the battery to recharge and such......The ieal thing would be to install a HO alternator, But, that is some serious money................AND, DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT A FREEKIN STIFFENING CAP WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBELMS!!!!! Dont waste your hard earned money on them, they are a phucking joke...

    The best thing for you to do to ge the most SPL out of your system is to do a system that is as EFFICENT as possible...this means going with subs of HIGH sensitivity, an efficient enclosure for the subs, and an amp capable of driving them hard without killing your electrical system.... With the right stuff, I bet a thousand bucks will get you 140 dB..........I will get back to you on this.....
     
  9. DaveDSMer

    DaveDSMer Full Member

    The speakers are rated at 500 rms .. and you want to run an amp to each one with 900 rms at 1ohm? thats just way overkill. running 1 amp would put 450rms to each speaker which would be just about right.
     
  10. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Hell those subs only need about 300-400 watts to get loud...My friend had two of them on 400 watts rms total and it pounded.

    My 98 Explorer has a 130 amp alternator in it factory...pretty sure your Burban has a bigger one...if not than Chevy are cheap bastards.

    Upgrade your big three with some 2 gauge welding cable from rural king and you should be alright.

    You'll only need to set those kenwoods to put out 500 watts rms each.

    My best friend has an older 2 door camry with over 2000 watts of continuous power in it with the factory alternator and two of the big three, and a Kinetik HC800...lights only dim a lil bit...amps are cranked up too, Dunno what kinda frankenstein alternator Toyota put in there but damn
     
  11. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    2000 watts????? continuous???? at 12 volts that is like....well around 150 amps of current draw!!!!! (with the amps being near 100% efficient!!! ) Nope, sorry buddy, aint no toyota alternator gunna do that!!!!!!!
     
  12. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Lol Viking well he as two Memphis MC1000Ds, a Memphis MCsomething 4 channel, two Memphis 12 inch Mojo's, a Kinetik HC800 and the amps are at up pretty high...(my friend still thinks that the gain is a volume knob, even the guys at the shop say "hey they are broken in now so turn up the gain").

    But really the alternator seems to be pretty fast at recharging because the lights dim and then they get bright real quick, he's had this setup for a few months now...the lights dim but not at much though....it's hit 147db when he first put all that sh!t in without retuning things

    I dunno Vike, I'm amazed myself...I think something is wrong with my explorer because I can see my volt gauge drop with only 500 watts rms of power...F U C K I N G-F O R D-B A S T A R D S
     
  13. ibanezFreak87

    ibanezFreak87 Full Member

    I have mazda. mazda = ford. ford = sucks.

    due to the continuous suckage property.

    my mazda sucks.

    it dims like hell and i only have a 500/1 run to a 12w7
     
  14. aznboi3644

    aznboi3644 Full Member

    Yes...ford mazda sucks.

    My friend just got a 2002 mazda protege5 and he only has a 760 watts max pioneer GM5100T i think and a couple 10 inch Boston Acoustics G2's and hits lights dim...bastards
     
  15. wvucollins

    wvucollins Full Member

    What do you all think of these kickers from crutchfield...

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-6a2B65NRdkY/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=520&I=2065C15VR4

    Buy one get one free for $229 and free shipping

    If I go with these subs, what amp do you all suggest?
    The guy at crutchfield told me i should go with the AP2000 here...

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-6a2B65NRdkY/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?search=ap2000&i=489AP2000

    But I'm not sure if that's even going to be a good quality amp

    Tell me what you all think about those subs... I'm going to build my own box for the 2 15"s
    Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Isaiah
     
  16. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Decent sensitivity, work good in a vented box, and a good price, those should make some fine subs for what you want!!!!!!

    Some of the guys on here know more about that profile amp than me.....I remember one of the particular lines of profile is pretty good according to a few folks. Just dont remember which one!!!
     
  17. wvucollins

    wvucollins Full Member

    okay...I'm not too good with all these different ohm options...

    here is the rms and peak on the subs...
    » power handling: 50-500 watts RMS (250 watts per voice coil)
    » peak power: 1000 watts
    how would I wire up the mono amp with the subs?
    I want to run the most power to the speakers as possible w/o damaging them..

    The speakers are 4 ohm... what does this mean as far as wiring two of them together on a monoblock amp?

    Thanks,

    Isaiah
     
  18. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    The 2 kicker 15 inchers and that profile amp would actually match up just fine. Each woofer is dual 4 ohm....So, wire each sub up as a 2 ohm driver (parallel the voice coils) then run one sub on the left channel and one sub on the right channel...This a good way to do this. The amp will be putting out the same amount of power as if it were in bridged mode, and the dampning factor will be better (thats the amps ability to control the speakers movement) As a matter of fact, it was my preffered way to do it.
     
  19. DaveDSMer

    DaveDSMer Full Member

    you could yes.. but i always getted bitched at for using a 2 channel amp to power subs.. don't ask me why! because they won't answer that! Viking is right though you can wire those subs to 2 ohm on each channel.. OR you can use a single channel amp that is 1ohm stable meaning you can wire both subs together to make a 1ohm load on the amp. So when you are looking at amps.. you can go with a 2 channel 2 ohm stable amp that puts about 500rms per channel in 2ohm mode.. OR .. a single channel amp that is 1ohm stable with about 1000 rms in 1ohm mode.